Friday, February 4, 2011

February Decisions

Later this month, we will be releasing acceptance letters for a small group of freshman applicants. These admits, who are primarily Regular Decision (RD) applicants, are students who meet the criteria that UGA admissions used for Early Action (EA) admits. Just to stop any questions, there are no set "EA critieria levels", as it is a review of the combination of grades, rigor and test scores, so please do not ask what EA criteria is. Whenever we release these February decisions, we always get questions, ranging from "Why didn't I hear" to "Does this mean that more decisions will roll out through the month of March" and so on. for those of you who have been following my blog, here is a quick reminder.

The three freshman decision release dates:
  • Mid December - EA Decisions released
  • Late February - Admit letters for RD or deferred EA applicants meeting EA admit criteria
  • Late March - Final Decisions for all remaining freshman applicants
Why do we release a small group of February acceptances? Well, if an applicant has applied Regular Decision, has a perfect 4.00 GPA, 12 AP classes in a variety of areas, and a 1540/750 SAT (an actual situation this year), why wouldn't we want to admit this student? Just like with EA admits, there are a group of Regular Decision applicants who are well above what is expected academically, and we want to move forward with admitting these students now. As well, this is a good example of the of how the rumors and myths out there, such as it is easier/harder to be admitted EA/RD, are not true. We are carefully reviewing the applicant pool, and treating them equally regardless of EA/RD.

Please remember, we still have a large amount of file reading, reviewing of the overall applicant pool, and a great deal more admission decisions to make before this year's admission cycle is done, so be patient. Ignore any wild rumors, know that there will still be a substantial number of admit letters to go out, and finish up your senior year strong!

Go Dawgs!

59 comments:

  1. Love the Blog!! Your very patient!! Praying my daughter gets admitted any decision!! Thanks for the information!!

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  2. Anon: I am glad you have enjoyed the blog!

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  3. All: Just looked at the statistics for the blog, and thought I would share it with you. Over the life of this blog, I have done over 170 posts, there have been just over 6,000 comments (just went over 6,000 last night), there were 52,000 pageviews over the last month, and over the last 7 months (how long I have been tracking visitors), there have been over 350,000 pageviews. Thanks for being a part of this blog, and I hope it has helped you get through the admissions process!

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  4. does UGA add .5 to your GPA for AP classes if your school does not already or is that a rumor?

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  5. Taylor: UGA adds .5 to each AP or IB grade (grade, not class) in our GPA calculation if the school does not already add their own points to the actual grade on the transcript. When I write about a school adding points to the actual teacher grade, I mean that a student makes an 88 in AP Calc, but on the transcript it becomes a 95 because the school adds 7 points to their AP grades. We do not double dip for these schools. For schools that do not add this type of weight, we will then add a .5 to each AP/IB grade, so for instance, an A in AP Chem (an A is a 4.0 grade to us), becomes a 4.5.

    I would also suggest looking on the bottom right under labels and selecting GPA.

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  6. so how could i go about calculating my UGA GPA?
    and about what Taylor said, if my AP classes are during my senior year will that be calculated into my past transcript GPA?

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  7. Thanks for keeping us updated! Is there a "slight" chance you might also be releasing acceptance letters in February for any Fall Transfer applications that were sent in before Christmas? Trying to be patient.

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  8. anon: As I have said in previous posts over the last week, we are not able to recalculate GPA's for updated fall grades, as we have over 10,000 applicants that we would have to do that for, and we do not have the manpower or time. We add any updated grades to a student's file for the read process, but recalculating GPA's is a somewhat time intensive job for 10,000 files, so ...

    As for how you calculate a GPA, every core grade is counted, and each A is a 4.0, each B is a 3.0, etc. For any AP grade (if your school does not already add weight), you would add .5 to that grade, so a B would be a 3.5. Add up the total, then divide by the number of grades you used. Hopefully, this will give you your GPA.

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  9. Anonymous transfer: I have no idea about specific transfer decision dates, so I do not even want to guess about this situation.

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  10. My school adds in 10 points for an AP class. But when I get an A without the 10 points it is still considered a 4.0. Will UGA add a .5 to that course since it was a natural A to make the GPA for that class a 4.5?

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  11. Anon: If your school adds weight to their AP/IB grades, then we will not add .5 to the grades, no matter if your is is what you refer to as a "natural" A or a weighted A. Your school decided to go with this type of grading scale, so now you must live with the good and bad of this type of scale. I have written extensively about this in several of my posts that you can find under the label "GPA".

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  12. On my application I put 6 AP classes. Later I found out that AP micro and AP macro economics are two separate classes so at the end of senior year I will have taken 7 AP classes. Will the app. reviewers see my mistake and correct it or will they judge off what I put?

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  13. Anon: On the application, we ask for the total number of year long AP/IB classes, and since AP micro and AP macro are generally half year credits, we would add these up to make one year long course (so that would be six). We would also look at the application and your transcript to understand your course load, so it would still not be a problem.

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  14. Hey Mr graves...has the deadline to apply for academic scholarships passed for the fall 2011 applicants...i remember seeing a Diversity Scholarship at www.admissions.uga.edu/article/scholarships_at_uga.html

    However when i follow the link , the webpage says that the link is broken. Please Suggest

    P.S: when is deadline for FAFSA submission.

    Thank you ..love this blog!

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  15. i have a question...i was only able to take the SAT once and i would of taken it more than once but for money issues i only had the opportunity to take it that one time. i know if i would of taken it again i would of done a better job. would this situation affect the decision making process?

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  16. Anon I: I would suggest sending an email to your UGA counselor, https://www.admissions.uga.edu/article/meet_the_uga_admissions_staff.html, and they will be able to move forward with more details about this. I will check with the person in charge of scholarships, but I would want you to have direct contact with a counselor so you can get feedback. As for the FAFSA, I would suggest getting it in by the end of Feb. (not a deadline, but it is always best to get this in early), as this will move things forward for all colleges you are looking at.

    Anon II: If you would like, you can send this information to your UGA counselor (see above link) and ask them to put this in your file. I cannot say how this will impact a decision.

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  17. I have applied to UGA for regular decision. I have two questions. Do you all calculate courses taken in middle school for high school credit into the GPA? Can I send my transcript with my first semester grades to you all? I feel as though it will boast my unweighted GPA alot.

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  18. Anon: We do not use your middle school course grades in our GPA calculation (and we specifically ask that you not use them in your grade report on the application), and you can go ahead and send in the updated transcript if you hurry, and it will be added to your file (but we are not able to recalculate your GPA due to the large number of applications and other staff responsibilities).

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  19. I thought the freshman decision release date was april 1st. now its march?

    and how small is the group for february? 50?

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  20. Keley: We generally say that decisions will be out by April 1, but I really doubt that any university (including UGA)wants to release their decisions on April Fools day. So we will be sending out decisions sometime in late March. I do not know how many decisions will be released in Feb., but it will be much less than in Dec.

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  21. Is the curriculum at the top private high schools in Ga., ie Lovett, Holy Innocents',considered more "rigorous" than that in a public high school. Are some public high schools considered to have more rigor?

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  22. Anon: When UGA looks at a student's rigor in their curriculum, we are not looking at what the school offers, but what the student has taken within the framework of what their school has to offer. Now, as for how we look at high schools, we do track how UGA students from different schools (over a number of years) have done when they come to UGA, so we can try and understand more about the high schools and their students' readiness.

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  23. TRANSIENT STUDENT:

    I am a current out of state student and I would like to save my parents some money by taking classes at an instate college (I am HOPE eligible). I dont think Im ready to fully commit as a transfer. I am an Advertising major (something you have to get into at UGA). Could I take classes in that major this summer ?

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  24. Transient: You would need to check with the Registrar, and here is the link for their schedule of classes, http://www.reg.uga.edu/schedule-of-classes. You would then also want to check and make sure the course transferred back into your home college.

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  25. In addition to tracking how students from various high schools have done at UGA, do you also track homeschooled students? What trends have you seen? I imagine the data would be of limited value to you due to the wide range of homeschool experiences, but I was just curious.

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  26. Anon: Because there is such a wide variety of home-schooled students, from actual home school to students working with accredited programs in conjunction with home schooling, etc., it is hard to track these students as a group. As well, we have a very limited number of students compared to traditional schooling system, so the data is too small to help within this type of review.

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  27. What are a deferred applicant's chances of being notified of admission later this month? I know Regular Decision applicants have higher chances overall, but as a deferred applicant, I was just wondering about the possibility of [hopefully] finding out sooner.

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  28. Anon: I could not say what a deferred students chances are for Feb. admission, as it would depend on the student. And RD applicants do not have a higher chance overall (by that I mean that deferred EA and RD students are treated the same), but since deferred students have already been reviewed against the EA criteria and were then deferred, there would need to be a change in their situation to be admitted in Feb. RD applicants, on the other hand, have not been reviewed in comparison to the EA criteria, and thus the thought (and history) is that a number of these applicants will be admitted after meeting or exceeding the criteria.

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  29. Can you take any of the classes offered during that schedule, or do you have to apply for the major even though you're just a transient? Im not really well informed on the "transient" process. Couldn't find much about the permitters.

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  30. Transient: You would want to speak with the Registrar's Office about this, as I could not say what the pre-requisites and/or limitations are on the courses.

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  31. If I was deferred from EA but completed the rest of the application and my GPA went up significantly because of my first semester senior year transcripts, is it possible to receive a decision in February or is that only for those who only applied Regular Decision?

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  32. The class of 2012 in public schools in Georgia will have math course names of Math I , Math II, Accel Math III, etc. How will these courses be received and is UGA ready for the change? Do you have any idea how these course names will be received by other national universities? Finally, my child took Geometry and Algebra II, for 9th and 10th grade in private school but as a junior he attends a public school. In order to provide course numbers to match the current course names, his Geometry and Algebra courses were changed to Math I, Math II, etc. Would it be advisable to include the transcript from both schools? The course name changes seem misleading and not easily understood. Thank you in advance for your response.

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  33. Lauren: Your updated transcript with your senior grades (if sent) will be put into your file for our readers to see, but we are not able to re-calculate the GPA due to numbers (over 10,000 updated transcripts), manpower, or time. This will have an impact during the read process, but it will not have an impact for Feb. decisions.

    Anon: UGA is well aware of the new Math courses in GA (and I am as well, as my son just signed up for Accel. Math I for 9th grade for next year), so this will not be a problem for UGA. Generally, it should not be a problem for other colleges, as NY has had this type of Math sequence, and as long as your high school communicates this information in their high school profile. I would not think you would need a transcript from both schools (UGA does not need it), as we know a great deal about the situation. You may want to speak with the colleges he is looking at attending just to make sure, though.

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  34. Folks wishing to know the difference in EA and RD decisions, from what I can tell, the admitted EA students from 2010 had an average gpa of 3.95 and an average ACT of 29 while the admitted RD students had an average gpa of about 3.65 and an ACT of 25. Also, it looks like the average EA student had about 7 AP courses and the RD student had about 3-4 AP's. Does this sound about right?

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  35. Anon: Can you tell me where you are getting your information, as this is not how UGA breaks down the information, and it does not look quite correct. If you were taking our overall numbers vs. our Early Action numbers from last year, please remember that we admit deferred EA students in the March group, we admit a group in Feb. (mostly RD) that meets EA criteria, etc., so our process and the numbers do not reflect the idea of EA vs. RD, but the timeline of when a student hears a decision and how we make that decision.

    So the Dec. and Feb. groups will have much stronger academic information than the March group, but that is because we focused on the academic areas in these two groups, where the March group is looking at the overall applicant. I hope this helps.

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  36. I took the average EA gpa for the 6,000 or so admitted (based on the middle 50% number of 3.84-4.07) and came up with approximately a 3.95. (which is a very rough estimate because I don't have all the data you do). Then I looked at the overall admissions data for the 10,000 students admitted (which I believe was a 3.83 average GPA). This lower average GPA tells me that the 4,000 RD students brought down the EA student gpa's. I did the math and came up with a 3.65 for the 4,000 RD students (again this is rough). I did the same for the ACT scores. So, was I even close??? Thanks for discussing.

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  37. Anon: Again, since we do not break things down that way, I could not say exactly. Again, some of the post Dec. admits were deferred EA (we keep them as deferred EA, not RD, so we can track things better), and you have to take in the RD applicants who are admitted in Feb. after meeting EA criteria. It is a lot more complex than just doing the averages, as different applicants fall into different groups (EA, deferred EA, Feb. admits, March admits, etc.)

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  38. Having one child at UGA and one waiting a deferred decision and all the concern with the blog over grades, decisions about other college choices in the event you don't get in to include roommates anh housing, jumping thru hoops to find out yes or no the end of March for admission decisions.... Has UGA ever considered doing what Univ of FLorida does.. all apps are due by Nov 1 and all admission decisions come out mid-Feb. They have no early admits and they are more competitive than UGA to get into. Has this ever been considered? For others in the future as UGA gets more and more competitive, it may be a better approach for the students and admission team.

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  39. Anon: Every college has their own timeline based on both their process for admission, application numbers, other factors impacting their office, etc. Some colleges measure an applicant against a specific requirement for GPA and SAT/ACT scores, others (such as UF) have a state with common courses, grading scales and GPA's that make for quicker review, and each office has to deal with the staffing and budget given to them by their state/institution.

    For UGA, we went to the EA timeline to help speed up the decision for some (not all) students. Based on discussions with some friends at UF, they also have more resources (personnel, etc.) to work with, their state's common high school information and electronic data are an asset that Georgia does not have.

    We will always be looking at ways to improve our process, and as seen from this year's earlier EA decision date, we are able to be quicker in our responses. But some decisions just take time, and we can only read so many files in a day.

    Thanks for the suggestion!

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  40. Dear DGraves,
    I was defferred in December, and I have reapllied for RD. However, my transcript has changed drastically (and I mean drastically as almost every grade in my high school career has gone up 7 points. This is because my school never weighed my grades but on the counselor form they said they did). Will I be considered foe Feb Descicions and will my new GPA be taken into account during addmissions?

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  41. sorry for the typos:*for

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  42. Anon: Since this is not updated grades, but instead an error on your transcript by your high school, I would suggest you email admproc@uga.edu and alert us to this issue.

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  43. Dear DGraves,
    I am currently taking a Latin 1 class that I am struggling in. I am taking the class so that I can graduate with distinction, but it is bringing down my GPA. Would it be better to stick it out or drop the class? Will dropping the class affect my chances of being accepted at all?

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  44. Anon: First, you need to ask yourself if you are able to succeed in the class or not. What is the reason for not doing well, and what does struggling mean (B,C, etc.). While UGA will not be able to look at the grade for admission, we will be checking the final HS transcript on all admitted students to make sure there were no major dives in grades, so our office should not answer this question, as it will not impact an initial decision. Good luck with the situation!

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  45. What would need to change to get a deferred EA student accepted later this month?

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  46. Steve: A deferred student would generally need to have an improved SAT or ACT score, although on a few occasions we will need to review an updated transcript due to possible issues, and the new review may change the overall GPA of the student. But again, for the most part it would be an increase in the SAT or ACT.

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  47. will EA/RD students find out either in February, or March if they are admitted by official UGA letter OR will they receive a decision via "mystatus"? Will a representative of UGA post when decisions are being sent out on the admissions page like you did with early decision? thanks!

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  48. Anon: When UGA releases decisions, they go out by mail and are available on the myStatus page. I will give a heads up about when the Feb. (and March) decisions will be released.

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  49. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for the UGA Admissions Blog! It has been a great help, Go Dogs!!

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  50. https://www.admissions.uga.edu/article/a_closer_look.html

    Is the information on the web site above for admitted students or enrolled students? Thanks!

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  51. Go Dogs!: I am glad this blog has helped!

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  52. Anon: The "Close Look" page is about the enrolled freshmen for the Summer/Fall 2010, so the stats are on the roughly 4,800 or so students who are on campus as freshman now.

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  53. I had an incomplete application for ED so I was automatically put into RD. But it actually took be a couple of days to realize this because my application status didn't tell me I got deferred. So does this mean I have no chance of finding out late Feb?

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  54. Anon: If you did not have a complete file for EA, then UGA would have let you know multiple times that you were incomplete, and the myStatus page would have shown it very clearly. If your file is now complete, from what you were missing for EA as well as part II (the essays) and the teacher rec, then you will be considered for admission , for both the February and March timelines.

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  55. I was deferred EA, and I made the decision this semester to change my course work from CP Language Arts to AP Language (thus giving me 9 AP classes). I emailed and had this information changed on my profile weeks ago, but I was wondering if this change in coursework will be considered for the Feb decisions as it relates to the areas considered (rigor of curriculum)? (I also substantially increased my ACT and SAT scores)

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  56. Anon: A change in your overall rigor may have an impact in the Feb. decisions, but I could not guess specifically about your situation.

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  57. Dear DGraves,
    Are you saying a 4.0 gpa, 8ap classes, and a 1600/770 SAT student is a hard decision? I know the avg UGA SAT score is higher than that but I am a 3.86 gpa, 7ap classes and a 1610/1190 student. My SAT is the only part I am worried about. My question would be, is this type of student normally accepted?

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  58. Anon: Please re-read the post, as I said that a student with a perfect 4.0 (straight A's), 8 AP classes in a variety of areas (not just 8 AP's), and an almost perfect score WOULD be an easy accept. But please remember that the GPA is based on how UGA calculates your grades, not what is on the top of a transcript, the rigor is based on a broad range of courses, etc. As well, I do not guess about decisions, so you will have to wait a short while later for a decision.

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  59. 6 more long weeks...seems like eternity for RD applicants and the admission team....

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