Wednesday, March 3, 2010

Urban Legend # 1

Right now, there are two things going on; one, our office is knee deep/swamped/up to our ears, etc. with file reading, and two, you are waiting patiently (or not so patiently) for us to finish reading. But I know that the moment we release decisions, a wide range of urban legends will suddenly reappear. In that vein, I though I would bring up a few of the wonderful myths that always pop up just after the final decisions go out.

No matter how many times we tell students that we do not have a limit on the number of freshman we can admit from a specific school, city, zip code, area, state, country or planet, we always hear "You did not admit me because I live in ...". First, we always state that this myth is incorrect, and that we focus on who is the strongest overall applicant, not what school or city the live in. Second, we do not have the time or the energy to try and break down the applicant pool in that sort of way to make decisions. I am just trying to make sure all the files get reviewed at this point! But beyond that, we really are looking at trying to make the best decisions overall while looking at everyone in the same light.

So the next time you hear someone start that rumor, please direct them to http://www.admissions.uga.edu/article/top_ten_uga_admissions_urban_legends.html and quickly shoot down this rumor!

Go Dawgs!

71 comments:

  1. Curious said....

    When looking at the transcripts, do you differentiate between “Gifted” and “Honors” classes? In Gwinnett county, some students are invited to test into the “Gifted” program and only students who qualify for this program can take “Gifted” classes. I believe that the highest to lowest rigor of classes in
    Gwinnett county is as follows 1)AP, 2)“Gifted”, 3)“Honors”, and 4)CP classes. Can being a “gifted student” help any when you are considering a student’s applications?

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  2. What would you suggest I do if UGA seems to have no record of my actual application? I have been emailing and calling counselors since earlier last month to no actual solution. I was told that my SAT scores and my payment waiver had been received. And my counselor only sent the first page of my transcript, so I asked her to send another one. Everytime I speak to a counselor, they avoid answering my question on what to do next. I am petrified of not even having the chance to get accepted, evev if I just get rejected. What am I to do? Where do I go from here because everything seems to be falling apart for me. Am I automatically rejected?

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  3. Curious: Generally, gifted and honors courses are approximately the same level, so it would be 1) AP/IB, 2) Honors/Gifted and 3) CP. There may also be other ways in which a school will classify their courses, but this is the most common. As well, college level classes are somewhere between 1 and 1.5, depending on the class and the rigor of the course. As rigor is a part of our review, this will have an impact. Remember, this is a general statement, as some schools will vary in their courses.

    Anxious: First, this is a serious issue for you. I do not want to sugar coat this, as we are 45+ days beyond the deadline, and we are no longer taking in materials. Did you mail in the application, do it online through UGA, or do it online through GA411? Second, have you had a school evaluation or teacher rec sent in (if not, your file would be incomplete anyways).

    At this point, I can't say what will occur, but you should do two things. Contact our office by email (adm-tech@uga.edu) tomorrow if you sent it in online, but also make sure that you are working closely with your other college options, as we are at the end of the process, as this is a very serious issue that is only now being dealt with. Sorry for the bad news, but I figure you would rather hear it straight.

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  4. does the toughness of the high school get a counted for so like if someone went to a difficult high school and there GPA was less than someone who goes to a somewhat easier school what would happen

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  5. Since UGA has its on Joint Enrollment Program, do students who have or are in Joint Enrollment, have an upper hand when it comes to admissions?

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  6. Anon I: Tough question, as there will always be a great deal of debate as to "difficult" vs "easier" schools. First, UGA does do an analysis each year looking at how students do their first year as compared to what we expected, and broken down by high school. This way, we are not dealing with vague terms of better, best or easier, but actual data about students and their high schools. We then use this information when reviewing applications.

    More importantly, though, is the idea that if a certain school was "strong", the student would be strong just by osmosis. Just being in a school that has a rigorous curriculum does not mean that the student is actually utilizing the opportunities at that school. This is why we focus a great deal on a student's work ethic, and the time and devotion they put into academics.

    In addition, if a student is attending a school that does not have a great deal of opportunities, but that student goes beyond what is expected, challenges themselves, and makes strong grades, they are having to overcome the limitations of their school. Compare this with a student who attends a "strong" school, does not challenge themselves or do very well, and slides by on the name of the school. This is why we look at the student first, and gain an understanding of their effort, their challenge and their drive within the context of their situation.

    So what I am really saying is that yes, we do look at the performance of students within the context of their school, but our true focus is on the student.

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  7. Anon II: UGA has a very limited number of students who do joint enrollment at UGA (maybe 15 a year), and they must meet academic criteria that far exceeds EA expectations. If a student decides to attend UGA as a joint enrolled student, they then become a true UGA student, and are treated as such. If they then want to continue at UGA for their freshman year, they do not need to re-apply, but instead just go forward with orientation, signing up for classes, etc., as they are now UGA students.

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  8. Yes I understand that, but from let's a student who joint enrolls at ksu and applies for fall freshman admission at uga? What is your guys point of view when you see applying students with that on their resume? Thanks!!

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  9. There is alot of talk going on around water coolers at work and lockers at school about these budget cuts for State schools and one rumor my daughter and I both heard was that UGA might have to tell over 500 kids they can't come after they have their acceptance letters issued. I for one would like to think this is another "myth" or "rumor" spread by not understanding what is really going on with the state budgets but I just had to ask. Do you know anything about how hard UGA will be hit with these cuts?

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  10. Anon I: Since you use Anonymous as your name, I can only guess as to what earlier post you are referring to. As to students who take joint enrollment classes, we are glad when they challenge themselves. While we would suggest that you try to take the AP or IB coursework that is in your school first, we look at joint enrollment as a strong other option.

    Anon II: At this point, the proposed budget cuts are just that, proposals, so I could not say what will actually happen. As to the news report, I believe the news station has now pulled or corrected their story, as there was no mention by UGA of taking away any admission offers. What the proposals did talk about was cutting the size of the freshman and transfer classes for fall, but again, this is just a proposal, and there is a lot of work still to be done on the GA budget.

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  11. You may have already addressed this but somehow I have missed it. When you say the end of March do you mean March 31st exactly or could it be possibly the week before. The only reason I'm asking is because my daughter is auditioning for the Redcoat Band on the 20th and there is no reason to audition if she isn't accepted.

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  12. Karen: I never give out exact days unless I know exactly, and at this time, I can only say late March. I would rather be vague and then get specific, rather than specific and then have to be vague.

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  13. hey im really sorry and im sure you have said this multiple times to ppl but approximately how mny more ppl are going to be accepted now and out of how many?? thanks!!

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  14. did UGA accept students who were deferred from early admission in the second round of admissions?

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  15. I applied for early action and got deferred. I completedthe second part and sent it in. This semester I became dual enrolled at a community college and I would like to add this to my application. How do I go about doing it?

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  16. First of all...I love this blog! Even though my daughter was accepted EA I still find myself checking in on a daily basis to see what is new in UGA admissions! Question: I think I remember you mentioning in a post something about UGA t-shirts being sent to accepted students. Now I can't find the post, tried to do a search and nothing came up...so I was hoping you could refresh my memory (and please don't tell me this is really an urban UGA myth?!)

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  17. JonhJohn and Anon: Please look at the post http://ugaadmissions.blogspot.com/2010/02/february-freshman-wave-of-admits.html#comments and the comments to see if this answers your questions.

    Sloan: Hopefully, this is already on your application, as we look at your senior year schedule when we read the application. If it is not on there, it is too late to really get it in for file review, as we are 50+ days beyond the Jan. 15 deadline.

    UGA Mom: Yes, I earlier mentioned that I expected t-shirts or another "gift" to be sent out to admitted students. One issue now, though, is the budget cuts, and I am guessing we will have to make some cuts in this type of mailing due to the high cost. If you do not get a t-shirt from us this spring, swing by admissions during orientation and I will see what I can do for you. I can't promise this for everyone though!

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  18. Hey, I am an applicant for the 2010-2011 freshman class of uga. I have some concern with my grades and think you could help me.

    Okay, so my gpa provided by the school is low like above a 3.0.
    Now my frshman and sophmore years were good, but junior year I messed
    up and had some problems which resulted in a bad year but I did not explain this on thr application. Senior year was my best year so far as far as grades, rigor, and GPA. Will they automatically reject me because of low junior year grades or go over to tr senior grades And take more consideraion? My senior grades are on par to the top competitive students. My freshman, sophmore grades were also good. Will they also take in consideration summer activiies, leadership in clubs, community service, and other things like that, possibly owning a large gaming community which I develop which goes hand in hand with my major. Alot of people have been saying they only care about grades and test scores and nothing else and I'm very worried.

    Thank you for taking time to look at this and it's alot of typos because I'm on iPhone.

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  19. Anthony: When we look at grades (and I say grades, because we look at the individual academic grades, not a GPA on a transcript), we are looking at the whole scope of your grades. We are trying to get an understanding of your progress from fr. year to senior, and see how you have done overall.

    In addition, we are looking at all the other factors I have talked about (activities, writing skills, rigor of curriculum, etc.) in connection with your academics to try and get an idea of the bigger picture. We then look at your overall application in comparison with the rest of the applicants in order to make decisions.

    I hope this helps.

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  20. I took regular Psychology junior year and I liked it alot so I took AP Psych senior year.. I got an A in regular psych, and I had a B in AP Psych first semester and I have an A now (a 99..but UGA can't see that grade since it's not the end of our quarter yet). Does it look bad taking the same subject again as an AP?

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  21. I was wondering if a suspension affects an application a lot..if the student explains themselves and shows that they've learned from this mistake (and it was their first and only), and took responsiblity for it, does this affect an application a lot? Is it a big factor to still consider if the student never gets into trouble and shows to be a good student (Honors student, maintains decent grades/GPA, decent SAT score, and shows consistenet involvment in community service/extracurriculars) ?

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  22. Wondering: It does not look bad to take a similar class in the same subject, especially if it is a more advanced class. We see this a fair amount of time with science as well, as students are able to get more in-depth classes in their senior year.

    Anon: A conduct issue is looked from many angles; what did the student do, when did they do it (fr., sr. etc), how severe is the issue, and how did they act after it. If it was a minor action, and the student has shown remorse and is now on the right path, it should not have much of an impact. If there are repeated infractions, or if something is very serious, then there are issues.

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  23. Wow, I also thought you guys only took AP as being rigorous lol. This gives me some hope after all, but I was reading one of your blogs and it saids about grade spikes. How you do bad all 3 years, then have a grade spike and that isn't a trend so it had me worrying again.

    So for example(and this isn't my gpa), Someone had a 3.3 in freshman, then 3.3 again in Sophmore, then a 2.1 in Junior, then a 3.8 in Senior year, how would that look? I know you said, you don't look at GPA, but I don't want to think of 100 grades for each year. Would they think something happened in Junior year, then they got thier act together or things went much better with that person then thier Senior year. Would they see this student as a strong canadidate or someone who just isn't competitive enough? Like I siad before, these GPA's are not mines and are lower, but my situation is the same as this.

    And also, what do the other things like essays, activities have in effect to your overall final decision on that applicant? Could that enhance someone's chances to get in or ruin them? In other words, can they be maker or breakers?

    Would owning a large gaming community with coding in Java help because my major is in Computer Science and it shows how serious they are?

    So many things seem like They are lifting me, but at the same time, my detrimental junior year seems like it's holding me back. It seems almsot like a tossup one way or another?

    Sorry for all the questions. Just got into the moment there.

    Thank you again for answering my past questions and taking the time to look at this post.

    ~Anthony, an UGA Applicant

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  24. If you accepted approximately 6000 on EA, another 1500 in Feb. wave, it stands to reason by previous numbers that you will only accept another approximately 2000 students. That's grim considering how many applications are currently being reviewed.....

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  25. Anthony: As I said before with your earlier question, we look at everything within your file, so you will have some strengths and some weaknesses.

    Anon: Yes, as I have said a few times before, we expect to admit about 2,000+ more students (remember, I have only given out rough numbers, so I expect it to be 2,000+, not 2,000). But as I also said in previous posts, the applicants that still have not heard includ about 1,500+ incomplete files (a majority who decided not to send in part II), and a group of students who fall into the "non-competitive" group. So you are now dealing with a much different numbers situation than what you are probably thinking.

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  26. Any rough number of how many "competitive" and "complete" files you are looking at for the appoximate 2000+ offers that will be made in late March?

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  27. Wondering: Sorry, I do not have that number right now, and we are a little too focused on file reading right now to pull up that sort of thing.

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  28. Wow, UGA has definately became more competitive then last year! I know the admission % was about 54% last year...I'm estimating it to be 48% this year. I know alot who were admitted EA...

    Just hope I can join the UGA community..if not I was already admitted into my second choice.

    Anyways, Thank you for answering my question DGraves and very nice blog.

    Good luck everyone applying. Hope we can all be classmates next year!

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  29. I think I already know the answer to this question but I need to ask anyway. In RD is rigor, test scores and GPA still the top priority in consideration of files? Or, if you have a lower GPA and scores etc but had amazing extra curricular, would that make you a stronger candidate than someone with higher scores etc and fewer extra curricular?

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  30. So, there are maybe 2000+ acceptances still to come in maybe 8000 complete applications still in waiting. Odds are maybe a bit north of 1 in 4 for those still in the pool?

    My question is about the wait list. It seems like there is a lot of uncertainty: a big spike in applications but who knows about how may have UGA as first choice, tuition hikes and a continuing recession that might really affect out-of-state decisions (if not in-state), even talk about limiting the size of the fall class for budget reasons. Given all that, is there talk about making the wait list larger than normal this year?

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  31. I was thinking the same thing, Godot. It seems at this point, chance of admission is about 25-30%. Very low chances IMO. Since it seems 60-70& were admitted EA, and another 10% Admitted RS, but EA based, that leaves 20-30% right there. It seems like it will really be hard to get in. I hope alot of people were already admitted into thier 2nd or 3rd choices. Going to be alot of dissapointed people including me.

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  32. This is Anxious101 again. Yes, my teacher recommendation was received. My counselor resent the transcript. Still, the application is a major issue. I do feel a bit defeated. I would also like to point out that I have been trying very hard to contact counselors through emails and calls, but no one ever gave me an answer. There was never really a chance for me to do much because I kept getting ignored. That being said, I extremely appreciate your reply. Even though it was not dandy and hopeful, it was a straightforward reply nonetheless. Thank you so much.

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  33. Anon: I suggest you review my series post on file reading, as it will tell you what we are looking at.

    Godot: Again, I would suggest not guessing like this, as your guess does not take into account students who are not competitive within an academic review, and because I am saying 2000+, not 2,000. As for a wait-list, yes, I expect it will be larger this year, and we will post the numbers when decisions are made.

    Anthony: See my above post, and try not to guess on numbers at this point, as we do not have what the exact numbers will be (and we would be the ones who know it first!).

    Anxious: I am sorry about your situation, but I hope you are able to move forward with your plan B.

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  34. It seems like you are suggesting numbers may not be looking as bad as all of us are seeing at this point. At my child's school alone 90+ were accepted and only a dozen or so are actually putting UGA as 1st choice and want to attend. Bummer for those of us that have UGA has a 1st choice.

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  35. When is the latest date that Summer transfer status' will be updated? The Summer applicant pool will be finished before Fall transfer applicant pool, correct?

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  36. With all the talk about 'the wait list", how does that work? After the acceptances go out at the end of March, how long does a wait listed student, wait? What does that mean? Trying to get ready for Plan B. Love, Love, love your blog!

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  37. Go Dawgs! Remember two things; First, UGA does not know when a student has UGA as #1, #5, or whatever, and we do not make decisions on this. Second, many student's plans change the closer they get to May 1 decision time, so a fair number of those students might suddenly change to having UGA as #1.

    Anon: Yes, the summer transfer group will as a whole know decisions well before the fall transfer decisions are done. I do not have a "latest" date though.

    Anxious: We will have a post on the wait list, but I will give you the shortened version. By mid-May, we will have an idea of how many students have deposited with UGA. At that time, we will be able to know if we are at capacity, or if we need to offer more freshman admission. We will then, if needed, offer students in small waves until we have met our target for the freshman class. We will start any wait-list offers in May (if there are any), and generally by mid-June, we will be done with the process.

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  38. are transfer students being processed now also?

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  39. i heard about the budget cut. is it true that UGA will be revoking admission?

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  40. Bobby: We are reviewing transfer applicants now, and we are releasing some decisions, but we are also waiting for more information on the budget issue before releasing a large number of decisions. Right now, we are able to pre-evaluate a number of files (have everything ready for an admission decision), and also release any denial decisions of students who do not meet the transfer consideration criteria.

    Anon: There is still a great deal of discussion within the state government that needs to happen before any budget issues are settled, and the story of "revoking admission" was an error on the journalistic side of things. There were possible cuts in the number of admission offers if the most serious of budget cuts occurred, but no revoking of admission.

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  41. so not hearing anything regarding transfer students is a good thing right now?

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  42. how important are SAT scores? if you have a really high GPA and rigor in your courses but really bad test scores.. What's the likely hood of that person getting in? (Percent wise)

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  43. Do extra curricular activities like club achievements and being Class President play a big role along with achievements even if SAT Scores are low? Im in the samme boat as ano2325....I understand that UGA uses SAT Scores with the least weight but do they take prededence over extra curricular and sports achievements? Thank you DGraves!! :))

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  44. Transfer studentMarch 8, 2010 at 7:03 PM

    Alright, I am currently a freshman at KSU. I got deferred and then rejected as a senior in highschool and i dont really understand why. You probably wont be able to answer me, but maybe give me an idea? A was president of the National Honor Society and did a lot of clubs and extra curricular activites including Volunteer. I had a steady 3.8 GPA in a private school for four years. Though i had an average SAT score of 1650. I wonder if that was why, but I didnt understand why I didnt get in. But I have applied as a transfer student this year with a 3.4 GPA and I was wondering if you knew the chances of me getting accepted this time. Thanks for your time

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  45. Is the average gpa listed on the various class profiles a recalculated gpa, or the gpa sent by the various high schools?

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  46. Ok, I'm gonna say this as "anonymous" because it may sound rude to some.

    All of you commenting should maybe do a little research around the UGA website or even just this blog before asking questions because I know DGraves has answered some of these MULTIPLE TIMES. I mean, if you're even smart enough to be competitive at this school you should at least know how to read a past blog post.

    BTW I don't know how many times I've heard "Grades and rigor are more important than SATs at UGA". Come on.

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  47. Bobbi: Some summer transfers have heard decisions, both admit and deny, but right now, the admits have been paused due to waiting on the budget resolution. I expect it will be cleared up shortly, and our pre-evaluation means that decisions will go out quicker than normal for a short while after we are back to normal.

    Ano2345: My best suggestion is to review my earlier posts about grades, rigor, test scores, etc.

    GA: I cannot give you a percentage or balance, because every student is different, and we look at each case in light of the situations and circumstances surrounding that applicant. So yes, leadership and activities are looked at, but in the context of the overall student, along with all the other factors.

    Transfer student: At this point, I both could not tell you why (because I would have to look at your entire situation, not just a few items), and I do not think it is healthy to dwell on why you were not admitted last year, but instead would tell you to focus on the future. If this is your freshman year in college, and you are doing well, then generally you would be looking at Spring 2011, and if you keep up the good work, then you would look strong as a candidate for transfer admission.

    AnonI: Any GPA we give out is based upon UGA's recalculation of your core grades, as we do not look at the GPA on your transcript, only the actual grades.

    Anon II: While it was a little blunt, thank you for sending out the message that the first thing a person should do when they have a question is to do a search of the area of interest, then ask me if you cannot find it. I do not mind answering questions multiple times (usually), but it helps if you do your research first.

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  48. One more thing, I kinda already saw this on the UGA site, but I need you to go a little more in depth. This will probably be my last question..but..I seen that it said D's and F's are a cause of alarm. Does this mean you are automatically rejected because you had 1 D or 1 F? Thank you.

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  49. Sorry, if I already posted this, but it looks like my comment/concern was never published on the site, so I will type it again.

    I've already seen on the UGA site, that D's and F's are a cause of concern... Does this mean that 1 D or F automatically means rejection? I kinda did bad in one class(Pre-Calculus) and now Im worried Im considerednon-competiive" and Unfortunately, I never "explained" myself. Every other Math course I've taken either has an A or a B.

    Also, if you are non-competitive as far as academics are concerned, does this mean the rest of your application becomes invalid or void?

    Nvm, btw, Now I see my post, but since I already created this and it has more information, I might as well publish this too. Sorry for any confusion and spam I'm causing.

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  50. I know the *potential* cut in transfer students admitted is 1,000, but would you have any idea if that was for summer and/or fall admissions? And thanks for posting that the current admits are at a halt. Now I know I don't need to check my admission status every morning anymore. (I'm quite anxious!) Another question... what are the chances of an incoming transfer student getting into an apartment/suite on campus? I know incoming freshmen and those who have been on campus already get priority, but is there still a chance for the incoming transfer students or should I expect to be in a dorm?

    Thanks so much for posting these blogs and responding to everyone's questions with your busy schedule. You've been a great help to me.

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  51. Anthony: No, D/F grades do not mean an automatic rejection, it just means that we take a closer look at the file during both EA decisions and file reading to see what has happened.

    Kelly: We do not have the details on the potential changes if the budget cuts become official, so we have to wait and see what will happen before we can be definitive with the situation. As for housing questions, these are better answered by housing, but one good thing is that a new residence hall is opening up this fall, adding to the spaces on campus.

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  52. I disagree with anon "blunt". It is often hard to go back through and if Mr Graves could repeat, it shouldn't take too much to at least cut and paste the answer again. By the way, DGraves, you have not seemed impatient at all with the repeats. Also, wouldn't you say a SAT above 1300 (verbal/math) is pretty much a guaranteed admission if your recalculated GPA is over 3.7 with adequate rigor? I think in that case SAT is quite influential. I am proof.

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  53. Anon: While I do not mind answering questions multiple times, it does help me when visitors to the blog take time to search for answers first (see my note on the upper right part of the blog). The fewer repeat answers I have to do, the more I can write new information and read files.

    As for "guaranteed admission", there is never a time I would use this phrase. First, the question was focused mainly on the SAT/ACT, where your situation also adds specific grades and rigor. The question came about from a person who wrote "if you have a really high GPA and rigor in your courses but really bad test scores.. What's the likely hood of that person getting in?". They used somewhat vague terms to describe everything, thus I have no real information to go on.

    Even with your case, I am not comfortable saying if a student would be admitted or not due to the fact that I look at grades, not GPA, and everyone has their own definition of "adequate" when you describe your rigor. That is why I do not guess about a student's admission.

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  54. will you let us know when the transfer admits start up again? thank you!

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  55. Anon: When I know something about transfers, I will post all the information I know.

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  56. I have been accepted to UGA as an EA decision, and I cannot be more excited. Now I'm just hoping my best friend will get in so we can be roommates...

    Thank you, DGraves for keeping us updated on the status and continuing to answer the same questions over and over. People don't seem to understand that no matter how much info they give on their personal gpa/grades/etc. situation, you can't give a definite yes or no.

    Just posting to say thanks for the blog, you do a great job of it!!

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  57. Anon: Your post was very kind, and a wonderful thing to read after a long day of files, and an evening that will be full of file reading as well! I hope your senior year is going well, and I look forward to you and all the new freshmen arriving in August (or June/July if you are summer!).

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  58. It must be very interesting to read applicant's files and see how unique people are and how they use thier time. I'm sure your reading applicant's files you never thought they would accomplish at a teenager.

    Thank you for this blog as Anonymous above said, You do an amazing job and you have answered all my questions I need wanted to know.

    Good luck with the rest of your file reading and hope you choose some amazing students for your Class of 2014.

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  59. Anthony: Thanks, and good luck in taking the next step in your education.

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  60. How much is the teacher recommendation weighed in the admissions decision making? And does a recommendation from an AP teacher give more weight to one from a Regular class?

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  61. Anon: A teacher recommendation is a part of the review, but I cannot say how much anything is "weighed" as there is no specific "weighting" of different items in the read process. Our focus is on the overall student, and so this becomes a part of that overall.

    And no, a teacher rec. from an AP class is not looked at as better than from any other teacher. We are looking for recommendations from teachers that know you and can tell us what you are like as a person and a student.

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  62. Is it a myth/urban legend that if you call UGA or any insitution to which you have applied, even though an online application status check is available, to check up on your application e.g. whether all documents have been recieved, where they are in processing your application, when will a descicion will be made, that your chances of being admitted will be increased? For all types of students such as, freshman, transfer, etc.

    People are always saying you should do this to demonstrate responsibility and interest in the school. But UGA has this blog and an online status check, so wouldn't you look stupid for calling every once in a while and 'checking up'? I would assume the whole point in having an online status check would be to eliminate these types of calls. What would you say?

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  63. If you get suspended after being accepted from UGA, is it true that they will not find out? or will they reject you?

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  64. Anon: UGA does not track your interest in UGA in connection with an Admissions decision. If you need to call to check on something, call, but it will not affect a decision.

    Anon: If you are suspended after being accepted to UGA, you are bound by the Honor code you signed when you applied to alert UGA to the situation. I could not say what the result would be, as it would depend on what happened.

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  65. Are there any scholarships or any extra money provided for valedictorians at UGA?

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  66. Anon: No, there are no specific scholarships for valedictorians at UGA.

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  67. I am concerned about the first post where DGraves says about Gwinnett county "Curious: Generally, gifted and honors courses are approximately the same level, so it would be 1) AP/IB, 2) Honors/Gifted and 3) CP."

    It is the teachers impression that Gifted is to be more rigourous than honors. If UGA does not know this, are parents putting their children at a competitivr disadvantge by allowing their child to make a B in a gifted class rtaher than an A in an honors clas?

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  68. Anon: Please review my reply again, as I did not specify this answer about Gwinett Co., but about Honors/Gifted courses in general (that is why I said generally). I have visited a wide range of high schools in the last 20 years, from CT to TX, MO to FL, etc., and I have seen a broad array of course options.

    In fact, in a number of places, there are Honors courses and then an additional Gifted program that has a focus on elective courses that challenge them in other methods.

    Please remember that when I communicate with people here, I am commenting to more than that person, as there are a number of people who will read my posts/comments.

    We will generally have a school's profile with every application, as well as the school counselor's details about the coursework, as we try to know as much about the different options as possible on each student and each school.

    A student is not at a disadvantage by taking Gifted classes (there is a great pdf by Brookwood on their site about Gifted vs Honors/AP). I would suggest, though, that the Honors courses in Gwinnett not be slighted though.

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  69. Thanks. I just reviewed the Brookwood PPT. The good news is that the 88 in AP HUMAN GEOGRAPHY/GIFTED looks like it will count as an A, but the 87 in BIOLOGY GIFTED will not be weighted. Without weighting for gifted classes, my HS freshman daughter will have about a 3.5 GPA. So assuming this does not change, since the average HS GPA admitted to UGA is 3.8 - it appears that UGA will be out of reach. The odd thing is that my daughter feels she had some of the best grades in each of her classes. I guess that is the reason I still wonder (despite the Brookwood PPT) if I should "rig" her schedule to get a higher GPA.

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  70. Anon: First, if your daughter is a freshman in high school, there is no way to predict her admission to UGA, much less any other college. Second, if you only look at the mid 50% ranges, you miss the larger scale view of things (and the fact that mid-ranges are not the whole scale, only the middle range). When I say that UGA focuses a great deal on the rigor of a student's curriculum, I am not joking, and this applies to almost all competitive college admission offices. As for her GPA, since Gwinnett County already weights the actual course grades on a transcript, your discussion on any weighting issues would be with the school and the county, not with UGA (as we would not weight any of her grades since it has already been added).

    A good example of rigor and grades can be seen with the most recent Early Action decisions. We had over 100 applicants with a 4.00 GPA or higher who were deferred, most likely due to a less than challenging course rigor. In addition, a rigorous course schedule will help prepare her better for college coursework.

    In the end, though, you and your daughter must make the best choice as to her schedule and go forward with it. I would also suggest speaking with her counselor in depth.

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