Monday, March 15, 2010

Grades and GPA, the sequel

Since we are coming up on freshman final decisions shortly, and this is also the time when a vast number of high school juniors begin their college visits, I thought I would go over the concept of grades and GPA once again. Remember, this is how UGA looks at things, as I do not speak for any other colleges!

While writing this post, I have randomly selected three files in our read pool, and looked at their transcripts. The first applicant has a GPA listed on their transcript as a 4.09 GPA, while we have a 3.47 GPA, The second has a 92.6 GPA, while we have one of 3.33, and the last one has a 3.85 GPA, while we have it calculated as a 3.19 GPA. As you can see, what a high school has as a GPA may vary greatly from what UGA has calculated (that last one has a difference of .66!). Why is this, you may ask (yes, I know you are asking it right now). As I have said several times before, UGA is looking at your actual posted grades in your academic classes, whether it is semester or block or trimester, and then calculates an admissions GPA based upon these course grades.

In other words, UGA Admissions does not look at the GPA listed on your high school transcript! You can take a Sharpie pen and mark through it for all that I care, because we do not use it! And the reason why? Because most school districts in the country determine their own method of calculating a GPA, adding weight here or there, using X classes or Y classes, etc. And I am fine with that, as every school district has the right to calculate a GPA however they want.

But in the UGA Admissions Office, we try to look at all the grades in an equal method, whether you apply from Arizona or Athens, GA. We look at your academic core grades to understand how many A's, B's, C's, etc. you have earned, and then go about determining a GPA (for more details on how we calculate an admissions GPA, see an earlier post at http://ugaadmissions.blogspot.com/2009/07/gpas-grades-and-reality.html).

So when you submit a comment like "I have a 3.32 GPA, ...", I have no real understanding what that GPA is. My suggestion? Start looking at your grades within the A/B/C/D/F categories, and try and understand if you are a mostly A/a few B student, a mostly B with a few C's student, and so on. Go ahead and figure out what your UGA GPA would approximately be. Because the next time I hear someone say "My son is a 4.0+ student", and when reply stating that they must have all A's, I hope that I do not see a look of confusion. Remember, it is grades that we look at on a transcript, not a GPA posted on the top corner!

Go Dawgs!

110 comments:

  1. My son heard a rumor at school today that UGA is letting applicatns know today. While I find this unbelievable, I was just wondering if there was any substance to it? Thanks, great blog.

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  2. Mom: Just posted this comment under another post:

    Concerned Mom: Ah, the joy of rumors. Remember what I have said about rumors; run away, run away quickly! Since our office is still reading files, treat this as a false rumor and have your son move on as normal with the day. He can then go back tomorrow and do the whole "I told you it was just a rumor" thing.

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  3. After reading this post, I recalculated my GPA and it came out to be a 3.666, would that be competitive for UGA and also be rounded to a 3.67? Thanks

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  4. Chris: As far as a UGA admissions GPA, yes, a 3.67 GPA (that is what it would be) would be competitive. You can look at the posts for mid-range percentages for both last year and for EA this year, and you would fall into the mid-50%. As far as an overall applicant, I have no idea, and I would not even begin to guess. We look at so much more than this in the file reading, and I do not guess.

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  5. WOW, my gpa would drop from a 3.8 to a 3.18 due to the sheer amount of honors and AP classes I have, would I even be considered for admission based on this horrific GPA? And would these advanced classes possibly balance out his poor gpa? I'm totally petrified for my possibility of admission now for next year.

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  6. Anon: As I have said many times, we look at the rigor of a student's coursework in combination with the grades they receive, and this has more priority than any SAT or ACT (if we are just looking at the three academic components for now).

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  7. How do you count plus and minus grades? For example, if my child received an A- or B-, is the A- counted as an A, and the B- counted as a B, in the reweighting process by you?

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  8. Sorry about that, just started reading this blog, but thanks for the quick answer Mr. Graves.

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  9. i recalculated my gpa and i have a 3.32 for UGA. i take 4 out of 9 ap classes at my school in 2 subjects(1 science, the only offered science and 3 s.studies ). is that considered rigorous school wise?

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  10. Anon I: An A-, A and A+ are treated the same (4.0) when calculating a GPA, and so on with the other grades. When we are reading files during the Jan-March time, we do notice and look at grade trends and +/- grades in the overall scheme of things.

    Anon II: no problem, hope you enjoy the blog.

    Anon III: I do not guess on these things, as I do not know what is offered in honors/advanced classes, if the school has ties with local colleges and dual enollment options, etc. Your family and your high school counselor would be best to answer this question at this time, as you have more information about your situation (and I have very little). Remember, we are looking at your overall curriculum over 4 years, not just AP classes, and the breadth and depth of a student's curriculum.

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  11. I know you are saying late march for notification, but my question is, do you all already have an undisclosed set target date for when the decisions will come out, or is the date just based on whenever you all finish?
    for example, if you all finish this friday, will you all still wait to disclose admissions by a set target date?

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  12. when u ask how many aps are at the school, do u find out course titles? like a school 3 aps and they are ap calc, etc...for example.

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  13. if you all see a students academic and sat/act records to be "average" will you all then turn to his/her essays, extracurricular, etc to determine their admission status?

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  14. Anon: We have a rough idea of when we will be able to release decisions, but it is not exact, and I do not give out information if I do not know details.

    Anon II: We ask for detailed information on each school from the counseling office, and do further research when we travel in the fall, when we are preparing for decisions, etc. So yes, we look at the curriculum, down to the exact classes, for each school.

    hmmm: I am not sure what you mean by "average", so I do not want to guess at an answer. I would suggest you review my series on file reading for more details about the process.

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  15. Will not taking any honors in 9th grade affect me? I wasn't given any honors courses and didn't know I could switch out until it was too late, but I took honors/AP the following years will that be taken into consideration? Also, will the courses I am taking currently be used for any consideration if I had sent my transcript?

    Another question, will a total verbal/math score of 1140 w/ a writing score of 8 be within range of a competitive applicant

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  16. Rick: As I said earlier, we look at the entire range of your classwork, from 9th through 12th grades. I would not be able to guess about your situation, either with the curriculum or the SAT scores, as we would look at the whole range of what was offered and what you have taken over 4 years, and because we do not look at the SAT as one score, but three individual sections.

    The test score you mentioned is on the low side of our mid-ranges, but since it is not the most important factor, and since we look at it in a broader view, I could not say.

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  17. Would you look at individual SAT scores in context with the Intended Major ? For example, would you look for a higher Math score if the intended major is say Computer science?

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  18. I thought you might like to see that I bragged about your blog over on the UVA blog (look for comment 21!): http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/

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  19. Anon: No, we do not go into that detail, as we are not admitting based upon a major. In addition, you can not always determine which academic area is most important for a specific major, as creativity is also important for Computer Science (just look at our iPhone app if you need an example).

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  20. i just want to take the time out to tell you thank you for responding to questions after your "work hours" your responding at 12:00 am for us and we all should thank you for this important information and effort set forth by you and your staff
    thanks dgraves

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  21. slightlydifferentapproachtothesamequestionMarch 16, 2010 at 10:38 AM

    Have you ruled out releasing decisions this week?

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  22. Anon: Thank you for the kind words.

    slightlydifferent: I will post information here when we know more about the timeline for freshman admissions. That is the way I reply to this question from now until I have an exact date, so no one has to comment every day trying to ask if decisions will go out that day.

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  23. I heard a rumor in my school that UGA resent letters to students who were intially accepted and are now rejected because of lack of scholarship funding is there any truth to this?

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  24. Anon: I have no idea how this rumor could have started, but it is pure fiction. We have not accepted and then denied anyone, and we are still moving forward with the freshman admission process as usual.

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  25. Have the # of scholarships been affected due to the possible cutbacks?

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  26. Anon: No, the # of scholarships have not been impacted by the cutbacks. Again, please make sure to ignore rumors when they sound out of balance with what I have been saying.

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  27. I am a deffered student, and recently have not been able to login on my "application status check." Is this something to worry about? Or is it just because applications are being reviewed.

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  28. When you review a student and their application is strong enough that you would admit them, could this application be like "bumped out" if there are enough applications that are even stronger than it?

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  29. I was just inquiring how the FASFA works and when the amount of money you will receive, if any at all, will be released.

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  30. Anon: Have you been able to log in before? If so, try again, and if you are still having issues, click on the "Need Help" link in the upper right hand corner. Since you have been able to get on before (I think), this should not make you worried.

    Anon II: I would phrase it a little differently, in that we review freshman files, and make one of three final decisions on every file (accept, deny, wait-list). The first two are self-explanatory, and the third will be a group that is not admitted at this time, but if we have room in the freshman class that we did not expect, the wait-list students would be the first ones we would look to in filling out the freshman class. In other words, the wait-list students are the strongest of the non-admits, but we do not have room in the freshman class to admit them at decision time.

    Anon III: As this is not my area of knowledge, I would defer to our great Student Financial Aid Office, and I would suggest you contact them with your question.

    Anon III:

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  31. if my school doesn't offer any sort of honors or ap classes, is this going to hurt my chances of getting in?

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  32. Georgiapeach: I would not say that your school situation would hurt you, as our office is looking at what is available and what you have taken. In cases like this, though, we will be looking to see if you have taken advantage of any other opportunities, such as dual enrollment at a local college, academic summer programs, etc.

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  33. DGraves

    I have been able to login before but recently it has been saying "invalid username or password". I am just concerned that i wont be able to login when decisions have been released.

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  34. Anon: As I said, you should then click on the email link that says "Need Help" in the upper right hand corner.

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  35. Would taking all the advance social sciences and language arts classes available, and one advanced math class be considered a well rounded rigorous schedule?

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  36. Today my son came home from school and said that his Lit. teacher, who has close friendships with UGA faculty and administration, told the class that UGA would be a whole new story this year as far as admissions go. And that a large majority of deferred students who would normally be admitted would not be admitted this year. I know you say to run when we hear rumors.... but some days it is very hard. The waiting is sheer torture and when we hear stories like this one, it is even worse.

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  37. Anon: As I have said to a few others who have asked a similar question, I do not know. The reason is that I would have to look at your school and what is offered, and then look at what you have taken over your four years of high school.

    It looks like you are challenging yourself, but I would also want to look at your for. lang. coursework, your science area, specific math classes, etc. In addition, I would then look at any summer programs, additional classes, if you are taking a full load senior year or taking 2 "early release" periods, etc. In other words, we look at this in detail, and the best people to be able to answer this are the ones with the most information, which are you and your HS counselor.

    Frustrated mom: So a UGA friend of a teacher heard something about admissions (of which the teacher has no knowledge if this person has any knowledge of admissions), and decided to spread a rumor. This is sort of like the time several years ago when everyone heard that Brittany Spears had applied to UGA (not true), and decided to spread the rumor. When your son hears a wild rumor about a classmate, I am guessing you tell him to ignore it, right? Same here. I cannot stop the rumors, as they will fly around constantly. What I can do is tell you not to believe rumors, especially when it comes from a friend of a friend.

    Now, did you hear about the person who woke up in a hotel bathtub with a note in their hand, telling them to rush to the hospital as one of their kidneys had been removed? Sorry, just had to say it!

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  38. Do your GPA calculations include foreign language classes along with the four main academics (science, social studies, math, and language arts)? With the foreign language classes I have taken my UGA calculated GPA is a 3.82 but without is a 3.78

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  39. Anon: Yes, for. lang. classwork is used in the GPA calculation. From what I see, it would look like 4 our of 5 academic grades you get are A's, and the rest are B's (rough estimate of what a 3.80 GPA is, but not saying this is exact.)

    That would be strong work, and we would then look at the other factors (rigor, activities, leadership, writing, context, etc) in any holistic review.

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  40. For the person that is having trouble logging in to the application status check...

    I've also experienced trouble logging in -- just click on forgot password, it will prompt you to enter your login ID, and then a new password will be sent to your email address.

    Hope this helps!

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  41. Does UGa post all regular undergraduate admissions decisions in a single "batch" or in several "releases" over the next several weeks?

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  42. Anon I: thanks for the suggestion for anyone who has forgotten their password, as I left off this part.

    Anon II: For freshman, we will release all of the remaining decisions at one time, which is in late March. For the entire freshman admission cycle, we have three release dates, and you can search for timelines in the upper right hand corner.

    For transfers, it is a rolling basis.

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  43. If there are files that you already know are going to be denied (due to incomplete information,poor grades or a combination of things you look at) why do they have to wait until the end of May? Just wondering. thanks for the great blog.

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  44. nervous:

    Ah I can not describe how anxious and nervous I am!! I'm tossing and can't even sleep nowadays..

    Anyway - I was wondering.. I was deferred from EA and I took the January SAT and improved my overall score by 130 points (which is alot for me).
    Would the admission look at that improvement that I made and the efforts when looking at my files?
    Or will they just look at the final score and be done with it?

    Thank you Mr. DGraves for your hard work and dedication to this Blog.. Even though it soothes me alot when I see your words, but I've still been a nervous wreck!

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  45. this kid in my class also applied to uga and they have everything but his counselor evaluation. is he automatically out now?

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  46. Anon I: Since you are talking about May and decisions, I am guessing you are talking about transfer students (as all freshman decisions will go out in late March). Read the information about timelines a little closer, as I said that transfer decisions are made on a rolling basis, so decisions will go out until late May. In addition, I have mentioned that transfer applications take a while to review, so unless you have enough extra change to pay for 3 or 4 additional transfer evaluators, you will just have to be patient.

    Anon II: We will look at the new test scores you sent to us, and take them into consideration within the whole of the application.

    Anon III: At this point, we are over 60 days beyond the freshman deadline, and any incomplete freshman applicant would have received 3+ emails alerting them to the fact that they were incomplete (in addition to the status check for the student and their counselor). As such, we will not take any new materials, as our focus is on the freshman applicants that did get in materials within the timeframe we set. He will be considered incomplete.

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  47. Mr. Graves, I was actually talking about any applicants who after the submission deadline and after your office trying to contact them about incomplete applications( for example)...are they just held until the final announcements in late March?

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  48. can you calculate how many regular decision applicants you have excluding those with incomplete files? (i mean those that are yet to receive a decision from uga in late march)

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  49. Anon I: Remember, any incomplete freshman applicants have been communicated with numerous times about their situation, and have direct access to the details on the status check. When we send out final decisions in late March, we will also send out a letter to any incomplete student stating that we were unable to review their file due to being incomplete. I do not want to send out an earlier notice as we would be right at the end of file reading, and our focus is on doing the best job possible in reviewing these files, not on answering calls and emails about this issue.

    Anon II: Each year, we have about 1,000 deferred EA applicants who decide not to do part II of the application. In addition, we have on average about 600-900 other students who do not send in the needed materials to be reviewed.

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  50. Mr. Graves, since we are nearing the end of March, could you keep us informed on the number of applications yet to review? This would make us all feel like we are hearing some news about your progress, i.e. 1000, 500, 100 left to review. Anything to relax our anxiety on the freshman decisions would be greatly appreciated. Love your blog...

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  51. Still waiting: I wish I could do that, but it is a little more complicated than this. After file reading is done, we then take a larger look at the overall pool to get an understanding of the applicants, and how many freshman we will be able to admit. A good deal of analysis goes into the review after the files are reviewed. Sorry!

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  52. Are high school classes taken in the 7th and 8th grade counted in UGA's GPA calculation?

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  53. Houston C. mom: We will use the 8th grade foreign lang.(if considered a HS freshman class) and Alg. 1 grades for GPA calculation if they are on the high school transcript. These are considered high school coursework that is taken one year earlier.

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  54. so whats going on now with the file readings? are you all done, and now doing the overall look at the applicant pool?
    Just wondering. Keep up the hard work, and thanks for taking your time to make the best decisions possible.

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  55. Question: How many undergraduate freshman applications for Fall 2010 were received this year and can you comment yet on any interesting macro differences or trends from prior years?

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  56. hmmm: We will be finishing up reading shortly and are reviewing the overall group as well, but I do not know a timeframe yet. Our team is enjoying learning about all the applicants, but we will also be glad when it is done. There are some tired faces around the office!

    Anon: We had just under 18,000 freshman applicants for summer/fall 2010, and no, I am too busy reading to study and trends for this year so far. Maybe later!

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  57. dgraves:

    I applied for Fall 2010 as a transfer student on January 5th. I read on one of your posts that files get looked at according to when the application was completed and submitted. I was wondering where my application would fall in terms of when it gets reviewed-- somewhere around the first few, the middle, or the last? You said transfer decisions are rolling but could continue up to late May. I have already been accepted into my second choice school and have a fee to pay by May 1st if I decide to go there.

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  58. what is the limit of applicants that can be admitted for fall 2010? is there is set number?

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  59. Do you think , at first glance, that this class is stronger overall than last?

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  60. Anon: I cannot say at this time what our timeline will be, as we are still waiting on budget information from the state. I hope that we will be able to go forward soon, and I will let you know when I know.

    Anon 2: The limit we look at concerns enrolling students, and we can handle roughly 4,800 or so freshman in the summer/fall, and 200 in the Spring. We will look at all the information on hand to determine how many total freshmen we can admit (I expect it will be over 9,200, and we will know the exact number soon). We are continuing to monitor all information, such as deposits, cancellations, schol. accepts, etc. for a better idea before we make final decisions.

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  61. Anon 3: The overall applicant pool does look stronger than in recent years, but I have no exact data yet.

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  62. this question is concerning your response to anon2, as to how you said that you all are still looking at deposits,cancellations, etc before you make final decisions... does that mean if an admitted student cancels before you make final decisions, their spot will be open for a student that is yet to possibly receive admission? i hope you understand my question. thank you.

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  63. hmmm: When the application/admit/deposit numbers are as large as what we have at UGA, we are not looking at a 1 to 1 situation (1 cancellation means 1 more added). What we are doing is looking at larger scale trends to see if we need to adjust our numbers by 50 to 100 students or more.

    My dad worked in corporate accounting with GE, and where other companies estimated by a thousand or ten thousand dollars, GE would estimate by a million or so, because their overall numbers were so large. We are not at that level by any means, but you get the idea.

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  64. when are we going to find out about admissions?

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  65. Anon: My first response to your comment was going to be "Really, have you not read some of the above comments?" But, as I understand that some people are new to this blog, so here you go. Final freshman decisions will go out in late March. I do not have a day yet, but when I do, I will post it.

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  66. I know freshman admissions are very close, and I was just wondering where the best place would be to look for this admission status to change? Will the online status check be the first area to have the decisions posted, or will a letter in the mail come first? Just wondering what to be on the lookout for. This blog has been so helpful through all of this! Thank you!

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  67. Anon: The day that we release decisions, we will both open up the status check for applicants to see their decisions, and mail out the letters of decision. So unless your mail person is very fast, the way you will see it earliest will be by the status check.

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  68. why is the status check down so early? is it because people check it a lot? because you all usually close it down the day before/night before admissions are released...just wondering why its down.

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  69. hmmm: We normally shut down the status check 1-2 weeks before decisions go out, so this is normal.

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  70. I'm sure you guys are getting tired of hearing this, but are we any closer to hearing anything about transfer decisions and the budget cuts? This is really making me a little anxious...

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  71. I will let you know when we do.

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  72. If one gets wait listed would it be wise to send anything to bring one higher on the wait list?

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  73. Anon: If a student is put on the wait-list, the best thing they can do if they are still interested in UGA is to accept a place on the wait-list and tell us why they want to be considered for admission off the wait-list. We ask that you do not send in any additional materials.

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  74. DGraves:
    Does this additional information include second semester transcripts? Also, do you also not want accepted students to send their second semester transcripts?

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  75. Anon: If a student is admitted and then decides to enroll at UGA, we will need a final transcript. But for wait-list students, we do not need this information.

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  76. Ok so i have basically a gpa of a 3.76. I have almost All A's. i have about 7 B's total. but some are like for Physical Education and stuff like that. I have basically all A's in my core classes. (Except like 3 B's for Math)
    I have very little ap/honors classes because our family moved a lot therefore i had to go to several different high schools. This affected me sooo much because since i was basically a new student to so many schools i didnt really have the opportunity to be known or have a reputation that i deserved from teachers/counselors; therefore they all said they couldnt be put in honors classes even though i had good grades because they first had to see how i did in "THEIR" schools. But since i moved basically each year i lost opportunities so many times. Do you think admissions could consider this if they see in my transcript how many different schools i had to go to and adapt to.

    Also even though i moved to a lot of schools i always tried my best in each of them and worked so hard.

    I became member of important societies in my schools no matter if i was new or not. I felt like it was a bit hard to get "accepted" since i was just like a new girl and they were probably like "who the heck are you??"

    But i didnt care. I became a member of National Honor Society, National Beta Club, Spanish Honor Society, National Technical Honor Society, FCCLA, Environmental Club, Choir, and the DCT program.
    I helped also in campaigns like March of Dimes, Pennies for Patients. Also helped collect money for Haiti and wrote letters to soldiers in Iraq. Also helped judges take and correct scores for ROTC competitions.
    Graduated with honors and dual diploma. Dual diploma was the highest i could reach. i got the college prep seal and technical prep seal.

    I also have a baby boy. Im a single mommy but ive managed to get through all this strong and have been very succesful in my high school career. This final year in high school has been the hardest but i have done so much and thats what makes me proud.

    Im also the only hispanic in my class to be in National Honor Society. And one of three to graduate with Honors..

    hope this helps..

    Thank you

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  77. Alexis: You have had a lot of different things impact your academic career, and we would try to review your overall situation in regards to admission.

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  78. My daughter's high school transcript includes 2 classes from 8th grade. They are Honors Algebra I and Spanish I. Does UGA include these classes as core classes is it's GPA calculation?

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  79. Anon: For the self-reported grade report on the application, we will be asking for 9-12 yr grades.

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  80. DGraves,

    I noticed in your blog that you mentioned the following grades of A/B/C/D/F. At Camden County HS there is no such thing as a "D" letter grade. It is only A,B,C,F. Will that affect anything once I turn in my application's transcript?

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  81. Also, would a 79 in a Chemistry Honors class cause UGA to not want to accept me based on that? That is my only C (I will be a senior in HS)I tried extremely hard in the class, but still came up one point short of a B.

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  82. Kellie: A number of schools have different grading scales, and a student should go by whatever their schools grading system is when completing the self-reported grade chart. So going to a school that uses a grading system without any D grade option is not a problem.

    As for a C grade, this would not cause us to automatically not accept you. We would look at your grades as a whole.

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  83. Thank you for the suggestion.. I just saw your reply and im really thankful for it. These blogs are really helpful when it comes to being heard and getting a little one on one.
    Im planning to start school during the Spring Term... I know UGA can be hard to get accepted if you dont have the skills that you guys are looking for.. i believe however that i do have them and i also have the preperation and the passion to reach my dreams and goals.
    Since you said you guys will try to look at my situation since it is a bit different , do i just have to like make an appt. with an admissions counselor? And turn in my application that same day?
    Could i possible make an appt. with you since you kind of already know a bit of my case? :)
    Thank you so much for the advice and it really does make me a little bit less nervous that you guys can understand situations like mine and what my academic career has been like...

    Sincerely

    Alexis

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  84. Alexis: When the application opens up in mid-August, you should then begin the application process (remember, we only accept online applications now). I would suggest that if you visit UGA, you should attend an information session, and then afterwards speak to the counselor leading the session if needed. I am not always available, but this person would be.

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  85. Thanks for the quick response. I'll make sure to follow what you just told me. Thank you so much and hopefully i can be part of you guys soon!

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  86. DGraves,

    I have just calculated my GPA without adding the one point I will have for the two AP classes that I took in my junior year. It came out to be 3.73. Once I add the 1 point to my GPA, will it be 4.73. I know this sounds really stupid, but my mom some how came out with 3.83, which I know cannot be correct. Could you help me?

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  87. Nora: The reason that you two have different GPA's is because you are calculating the GPA's differently, and (sorry to say this!) you are not doing it quite correctly. When you calculate the GPA, you do not add the AP weight to the final GPA you calculate. For instance, if you had calculated your GPA and had 10 AP grades (.5 for each equaling 5 added points), your GPA how you did it would have been an 8.73. That is not how it goes.

    Here is an example of how to do it correctly. Let us say you have 3 A's, 2 B's and 1 C (total of 6 grades), with one of these grades being in an AP course. Each A is counted as a 4.0 (3X4=12), each B is counted as a 3.0 (2X3=6), and each C is counted as a 2.0 (1X2=2). Add up the totals (12+6+2) and you get 20 GPA points, AND THEN ADD ANY AP/IB WEIGHT (in this case .5), and you get 20.5 GPA points. Divide this by the total number of grades (20.5/6) and your GPA becomes 3.41666, or 3.42.

    That is how you would calculate a GPA when adding AP/IB weight.

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  88. I did my GPA by adding .5 to the semester grade. So for instance, I added .5 to World history, which I had an A in. So it would be a 4.5 and I did this for all the APs I have taken. I also did it by years. So Freshman year I had a 3.5, then sophomore year I had a 4, then Junior year I had a 4.2, and it makes a 11.7, and I divided by 3 and got a 3.9. But when I did it your way I had a 3.85. I have 24 A's and 6 B's. Total 30 and I added .5 for 3 Ap classes, and I got a 155.5/30=3.85. So which way is it?

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  89. Anonomous: You would not calculate a GPA by adding your 3 yearly GPA's together and dividing by 3, as this does not give you an accurate GPA.

    You would calculate your GPA how I said to calculate a GPA (and I think your GPA points are incorrect). I have (24X4=96) + (6X3=18) = 114, then add 1.5 for your 3 .5 AP classes (remember, it is .5 for each AP grade), and you have 115.5/30. This equals 3.85, which is what I would go with as your best estimate.

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  90. I think this may have been answered, but I have never gotten a straight forward answer to it. Does UGA count a science elective class like forensics in the GPA? I took it, and my school considers it a science.

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  91. Anon: The problem with this class is that forensics can mean two different classes entirely, one being science and one being speech/debate. If the class is specifically listed as forensic science and is classified under the science area, then yes we will use it for the GPA.

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  92. My daughter has been home educated since the 10th grade. Does she still submit the counselor evaluation and teacher recommendation forms? Also, she took her courses through Georgia Virtual School which is administered through the Georgia Department of Education and is accredited;however, they do not issue course credit or diplomas but do issue grades and transcripts. Is this transcript sufficient to document the CPC? Thank you.

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  93. Jane: All freshman applicants need to submit a school evaluation, and if needed, a teacher recommendation. I could not comment about the transcript and the required College Prep curriculum, as I would have to see a transcript, but you should send it in when she applies.

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  94. HELLO THIS IS ALEXIS. I HAD PREVIOSLY WROTE TO YOU ABOUT MY SITUATION. AS YOU SAID "THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE IMPACTED MY ACADEMIC CAREER"...
    WOULD YOU ADVISE ME TO START THE APPLICATION PROCESS IN MID-AUGUST AND SIGN UP FOR SPRING TERM 2011 OR FALL TERM 2011..

    WHAT WOULD BE YOUR SUGGESTION AS FAR AS ADMISSION GOES?

    THANK YOU SO MUCH

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  95. Alexis: There is not a different standard as far as admission for Spring vs. Summer/Fall, so you should choose the term that fits your situation best. My only other suggestion (which I give to most every applicant) is to always have a plan B college that you also apply to in case you are not admitted to UGA.

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  96. My student took honors algebra 1 in 7th grade and geometry in 8th grade. Does this mean he should only include the 9th grade alebra 2 honors tenth grade Precalculus and so on with the high school math even though some high school students take alebra 1 and geometry there freshman and sophmore years? How will u know theyve taken these classes and there grades for them just because they were more advanced at ayounger age

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  97. Anon: The self reported grades are only for us to know about their grades, and so this area does not serve as the information area for all other academic fields. We will be able to see that they have completed Alg I and Geometry either by seeing these classes on their transcript or by seeing Alg. II on the transcript in 9th grade. We will be reviewing their transcripts, their counselor rec's, etc. to get a good idea of their overall courses.

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  98. when calculating my GPA, should i substract any bonus points i've gotten for honor course? how about AP courses? For example, I had a 88 in H. Algebra II; however, with the bonus points I had a 95. Should I consider it an "A" or a "B". Also, in AP bio i had a 88 and with the bonus points a 95. Should I consider it an "A" when calculating my GPA, and then add the .5 credit, or consider it an "B" and then add the .5 credt? Thanks!

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  99. Anon: When UGA is looking at your grades, we are looking at what it says on the transcript. So if your Alg. II course has a 95 by it, then we will use the 95. We do not remove any weighting done by the school. Please note, though, that we will not add any weight to your grades at all (normally we would add .5 to any AP/IB courses), and your school's weighting system may lead to other issues, as described in http://ugaadmissions.blogspot.com/2009/11/grades-gpa-and-confusion.html.

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  100. I have three C's on my transcript; all of which came from classes during my sophmore year. I made an improvement and have not made a C grade yet. However, I am still worried. Does UGA look at students'improvement as a positive factor or should I give up hope?

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  101. Anon: When we are in the holistic review process, we look at everything, from the specific courses you took, the grades you made in these courses, and when the grades were made. We are taking into account a student's progress (or regress) in their academics as one of many factors.

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  102. I had an immediate family illness which actually affected my grades. How can I explain this to UGA without making it sound like some kind of a sob story. The effect is apparent on my sophomore year grades which brought my GPA down tremendously.

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  103. Anon: You would want to write briefly about this in the extenuating circumstances area on the application, and I would suggest you look at my post about personal issues, http://ugaadmissions.blogspot.com/search/label/personal%20issues, for more details.

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  104. At my high school they add 7 points to all honors and AP courses. I know you keep the 7 points for AP but do also keep it for honors when calculating GPA?

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  105. Anon: Here is something straight from the self-reported FAQ;

    "My school adds "X" weighting points to the teacher's grades for Honors/AP courses? Should I remove these points?

    You should report the teacher grades as they are listed on your transcript, so if the teacher grades have an added weight, do not remove this weight, but instead enter in the grades as they are on the transcript. UGA knows the policies of the schools and weighting, and we have a process in place to not add weight for AP/IB courses if your school already does this. To repeat, look at your transcript and enter in the term grades from there."

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  106. Which is better, struggling AP & honors classes or good grades in on level classes?

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  107. Mitchell: Actually, neither seems like a good option. I would rather that a student challenge themselves to the level that they are able to handle and still do well.

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  108. DGraves:
    I have a question about rounding UW GPAs. Right now, I have a 3.785. Would UGA round that to 3.8 or 3.79?

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  109. Is a 3.79 GPA competitive in your opinion?

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  110. Kellie: A UGA GPA is rounded to the hundreds, so a 3.785 would be a 3.79. As a GPA alone, it is competitive, but we look at more than just a GPA.

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