Friday, March 26, 2010

Denied Applicants

For those of you who have been denied by UGA, here is a post for you and a chance to comment.

Unfortunately, we were not able to admit a number of strong applicants, as we are limited in the size of our freshman class. We know that you have a number of other strong college options, and I suggest you focus not on a denial from UGA, but on the other great opportunities that are ahead. As well, if your ultimate goal is to graduate from Georgia, then I would suggest you look at transfer opportunities down the road. But for now, focus on your current college options, find the one that fits you best, and have a great freshman year there. I would also suggest you go to our Denied Student FAQ if you have questions.

117 comments:

  1. Wow... I was not expecting to be denied. After being deferred...I would prefer to have been denied back in December instead of have a false hope of possibly getting accepted. If anything, I was assuming that if not admitted, I would be offered a spot on the wait list. UGA was my number one.. now I have no idea where I'm going to go. This was really shocking.

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  2. Just got denied also. Applied RD and thought I had a good chance, but it's not meant to be.

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  3. I agree with Anony. 1.... I don't even understand how I got denied. I wish I would have gotten denied back in December also. I never knew applying to UGA was going to be like applying to Harvard.

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  4. i got denied, but i just cant seem to get sad over it. i guess uga wasnt a big deal to me after all. i have a solid plan b and hop to be there possibly in fall 2011. thanks d.graves for all info and help.

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  5. (I was the first post) and I totally agree with the third Anonymous. I definitely started to feel like I was applying to Harvard.. I never knew it was THIS hard to get into. I am out of state, but my GPA (non-UGA) is 3.5, and ACT=27, SAT=1740. Did not know that that was not good enough for UGA. I seriously don't know what I'm going to do now.

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  6. I have almost the same stats as you. (3.4 gpa 27 act) Just keep your head up and wherever you choose you will grow to be happy with.

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  7. Hmm.. I got waitlisted by Northeastern University, but denied by UGA? I thought it would be the other way around, seeing that Northeastern's freshman class is around 2800, not 4800-5000. Seems strange to me.

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  8. I am also surprised that I got denied. I was not even on the waiting list. I calculated my GPA based on the UGA GPA and it was around 3.66 and my sat was 1840. I also had strong leadership and extracurricular, so I was hoping to get in the waiting list at the least. It was very surprising to me that I was totally denied. What was the average SAT/ACT and the UGA GPA for those that made it, and for those that were waitlisted.

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  9. the pictures next to the posts are unnecessary

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  10. I wish I just got denied in December also. It would have saved me a lot of time waiting to hear back. Whoever is the post above me, my GPA was 3.5, ACT was 31, my SAT was 1850 and I got denied too. So it was just really tough to get accepted this year.

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  11. I was denied too, but what really makes me angry is that my high school transferred my transcript with the wrong information. They misread my transferred transcript from my other high school, and they sent it to UGA the way that they read it. Now I am going to always wonder if I would have been admitted if they sent the right information.

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  12. Rejected as I thought, but I'm not going to go crazy and stuff. My second choice(Georgia state), which I was admitted to, will provide an adequate education(I hope) to which I can begin my career as such. If I don't like the school and with a high enough GPA, I will transfer to another school that is better like University of Georgia.

    Thank you for this blog, Mr. Graves. Although, i ot the decision I did not choose to get, I still feel like this is not the end of the world. There were people that were better then me and I accept that.


    That said, you guys should move on and not figure why you weren't admitted. Colleges are limited on space and there were far too many people who were competitive, but with only a limited space, they can only accept the best of the best.

    Anthony

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  13. when do we get to know why we didnt get in??

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  14. UGA is probably not going to tell the denied students why they were or were not accepted. I would talk to someone in the admissions office if it is really bothering you, but otherwise, move on with the college process. There are plenty of schools out there and even though you were not accepted to this one, a plethora of schools are probably anxious for you to enroll with them!

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  15. I can't believe I got into Tulane and Maryland but not Georgia.

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  16. All: I cannot speak for other institutions and their decisions, or the size and scope of their wait-list group. As well, I cannot discuss specific cases of admission or denial on this blog. This was a very competitive year and a very strong applicant pool, and unfortunately, every year we are limited in the number of students we can admit.

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  17. I am completely bewildered and beyond shocked right now. I was 99.9% sure I would be accepted but it turns out I wasn't even good enough to be waitlisted? How is that I was waitlisted at GT and not at UGA? I dont want to sound like I am taking anything away from those who were accepted or put on the waitlist but I strongly believe I have a better overall resume than many who belong to one of those two groups(and I have seen many of their stats).

    SAT: 2040 GPA: 3.5 as well as numerous ec's and awards.

    Please forgive me as I dont want to come across as bitter but I just don't understand. honestly, i just see no possible way i should be rejected with my overall resume. I truly believe I should at the least be put on the waitlist if not accepted already. If uga truly claims that it thoroughly considers every aspect of an applicant's resume and does not place emphasis on just one as it says it does, then i see no valid reason why I should not be accepted. Can i somehow appeal?

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  18. Edward: A quick question. I also monitor College Confidential, and I believe that you have also posted a similar unhappy response there, correct? First, I would suggest that you take a serious look at your academic standing, beyond the basic numbers. A GPA of a 3.50 to me is generally a person with roughly about the same amount of A's and B's (or a few more A's if C's are involved). Get a copy of your transcript to review if you have not already done this.

    Second, look at the aspects that I have already written about (the six piece file reading posts would be helpful) to try and understand more about what is important to UGA.

    Third, be realistic about what you do and do not know about the other applicants. I am guessing that you do not know everything about the applicants you go to school with, much less the almost 18,000 that applied.

    As for appealing, almost no freshman are admitted on appeal based upon one simple concept. Appeals focus on things that UGA admissions did not already know about the applicant, and since your file would have been given a detailed and thorough review, we would have looked very closely at everrything within your overall file.

    I am sorry if I sound blunt, but I believe that it is better to be honest about the situation rather than beat around the bush.

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  19. Hello DGraves!
    'Tho the decision we learned today was not what we hoped to be... we are now focusing on taking the next step forward. Thanks so much for your blog. I hope you continue on doing this.
    Go Dawgs!

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  20. I was hoping to get into UGA, but I can understand that it was a competitive year and it's really my own fault for not trying harder. I'm sure you can understand that it can be hard to not take it personally, especially from a school like UGA that factors in almost every aspect of your academics and life and basically judges you. I'll probably try to transfer at some point; either way, thank you for doing this blog and taking the time to review our applications

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  21. DGraves

    Although I was really depending on being accepted here, I realize that there is always my back up school. I saw previously that there are very few appeals, and in fact, there are almost no appeals for freshman, but if my high school sent my transcript without showing honors because they misread it, would they reconsider? I have moved state to state, and i guess through all the high school transfers they messed up my classes. Is that still considered to be my fault because I did not catch it earlier?

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  22. Anon I and II: You have shown a very mature attitude in your responses, and I wish you well in your freshman year at college.

    Unlucky: We actually see a great deal of students who deal with moving, changing schools, etc., and this is one of the things I have worked with our file readers on specifically. In addition, we look for indicators such as the descriptions on a HS transcript that show either a TR for transfer work or list another high school, and we know that the course details do not always shift over exactly from transcript to transcript. As such, this would not be a serious issue, and one that would not merit my suggesting an appeal.

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  23. Sad and BewilderedMarch 27, 2010 at 9:34 AM

    I am writing this on behalf of my daughter who like my husband and myself are confused about the decision she was given yesterday. Here are her stats:
    GPA:
    3.9 (your calculation - she received only 2 Bs in her freshman year).
    Rigor of Curriculum:
    14 Honor Classes
    3 Language Classes (you have to take these prior to enrolling to honor or AP language classes first)
    2 CP classes
    4 AP Classes - she took the exam for one of them (Psychology) and received a 5 on the AP exam
    Side Comment on GPA: she received a 108 in her AP psych class - I understand by your calculations (we live in Gwinnett county) that this would not lift up her GPA - if it had it would have been a 3.95.
    ACT - 25 (subscores 24, 25, Writing 8)
    Activities: Theatre all 4 years as well as others
    Awards: Academically lettered, 10% of her class - class slightly over 700 students.

    I had read and reread your blog so many times. While I knew her standardized test scores were on the low side, according to your blog, those were secondary to how the student performed in their 3 plus years of high school. Please help us to understand, because according to your blog she should have at least been wait listed, not completely rejected.

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  24. ^ That's scary if it's entirely true...

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  25. Sad and Bewildered: As I have said before, I cannot go over individual applicants. As well, I am not sure where I would have stated anywhere that "because according to your blog she should have at least been wait listed, not completely rejected." I do not project whee a student would fall within the process on this blog. As for rigor, I have stated before that we are not looking at just numbers, but at the overall rigor in all areas. In other words, we are looking at breadth and depth.

    There are a number of strong students who we could not admit, and every one of these students have their own strengths.

    Anon: As I said before, there are a number of students who have strong individual academic strengths (a quick glance at the numbers yesterday showed a number of denied students with over a 1400 SAT (CR+M) or a 4.0 or higher GPA or a great range of advanced classes. But when we look at the whole of the student, those strong factors are viewed within the whole of the overall student.

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  26. a d.graves. i was denied. i wanna go to uga fall 2011. my plans now are going to georgia state for fall 2010-spring 2011. then for the summer i will take classes at my local university at my hometown. will those hours received during the summer count toward my 30 hour min?

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  27. Anon: If you are looking at transfer admissions, then you would want to look at the transfer process,deadlines, etc. The deadline for fall 2011 is April 2011, so you would not have the hours by that deadline to be considered for that term. You would be looking at Spring 2012 most likely.

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  28. sad and bewildered, i and many like u are just as confused and frustrated as you are and i am even more shocked and sorry for the rejection of your daughter than with my own rejection. Dgraves, what exactly does uga look for in an applicant bc your admssions decisions have really bothered many people(not just this year but in years past as well).I mean it does not get any more complete and well-rounded than sad and beweildered's daughter. And then u mention that people with over 1400 sat and 4.0 gpas are being rejected??? Wow. That is the most shocking. If that is the case then uga is not taking seriously the most important factors and indicators of success in college. Honestly, I can't say I'm to surprised bc so many extremely well-qualified students at my school who were also aiming for ivy type schools were deferred. I find myself dumbfounded by how uga would consider applicants like sad and bewildered's daughter to not even be good enough for the waitlist and having "false hope" like your site says denied applicants have. Honestly, if having a resume like that is having "false hope" than I don't want "real hope". I hope that the decision letters will explain the reasoning behind my and so many others' rejection bc i want an explanation.

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  29. Edward: From what you have written, it seems like you assume that every student is judged individually against a standard, when we have to evaluate every student individually, then look at them within the range of the applicant pool. If we can only enroll a specific number, and if the applicant pool is getting stronger every year, then it is going to be more competitive every year.

    For the overall admitted group this year (the Dec. admits, Feb. group and March group), I expec that the average GPA will be between a 3.80-3.90, have a very strong curriculum (my estimate is a wide range of honors along with 5-6 AP/IB classes on average in a broad range of areas), and a very strong SAT/ACT average. I will try to give out the specific numbers early next week.

    It is ususally the case that when a person is denied with one academic area being very high, the other areas have some limitations. For instance, the highest SAT denials have not shown this level of work in the classroom, the strongest GPA denials have a course selection that is not as strong, etc.

    What I would guess is that you might not have an overall understanding of the strength of the applicants overall, thus causing confusion. When I say this was a very strong applicant pool, I mean it. In addition, I do not believe I told all denied applicants that they have "false hope", but if they took it that way, then I am sorry.

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  30. "We regret that we will not be able to place any student who has been denied admission on the Waiting List. It would be unfair for us to extend any false hope at this time." - FAQ for Denied Applicants
    I strongly do not believe my resume merits any kind of "false hope" at all. And I've seen the stats of some of those who were rejected. Nothing like mine.

    And yes, I may be unaware of the entire overall strength of this year's applicant pool. But I do believe I fall more in the range of this year's applicant pool than many of those who were accepted and especially waitlisted whose resumes I have already seen and examined. I understand I might not have a better resume than all or most of this year's applicant pool but I know I don't have to to be accepted or put on the waitlist. Honestly, I don't think I will ever understand or agree with what aspects of my resume lacked in comparison to some of the others but I know that eventually I will have to put this behind me. It will take some time though and no matter what I will still strongly believe I had a strong enough resume to at least be waitlisted. It's just a shame the admissions staff did not think so which I will never understand.

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  31. Wait.... so people who were denied who actually may be looking to transfer may not be able to transfer until JUNIOR year?! I was hoping that I could maybe go somewhere else freshman year and then transfer for my sophomore year.. this is looking more and more grim. Just curious.. what is the typical stats for a transfer applicant, what do you look at and look for?

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  32. Edward: Now I understand what you were referring to, and it is about whether a student who was denied can be put on the wait-list. I understand your disappointment, and that you might have a different point of view as to what colleges should look at, but I am glad you are moving forward.

    Anon: No, generally the first time you would be eligible for transfer would be after 3 semesters, which would generally be the middle of your soph. year. I would suggest you look at our transfer information pages for more information.

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  33. Honestly.. it seems to me that those three things (rigor of curriculum + grades earned in those courses, GPA, and standardized test scores) are the most important things you look at. Is it even worth it having the applicants complete Part II of the application? I was deferred and I feel like this could have given me another chance to give more information about myself, and I felt like my essays were pretty solid along with the other additional stuff on the resume. I don't think that UGA looks for students based on their academics AND personal qualities, and how they can contribute to the school. It seems like they are just admitting the very highest group of people, which is not a bad thing because obviously a university wants to have intelligent students, but is this just to make UGA look good? Character is another important thing to consider when admitting students, because ones that fall just below your "average" (which is very high) could be just as good of a student as others. I just wish UGA would have looked at applicants on a more personal level than JUST academics, because these people could bring something else to the table. The standards seem a little ridiculous for a STATE university.

    And when you compare the one student to the overall applicant pool, how is it fair to say that the one whose schedule was more rigorous because they took 5-6 AP classes is better than a student who took 1 or 2. At my school only 10 AP's are offered (9 really, 1 is a virtual online AP), and the kids in the top 5-10% of my class take probably 3-5, at MOST. How do you determine what is "challenging" for a student?

    Sorry this sounds bitter, but I have been IN LOVE with UGA for a while and getting denied just really hurt. Now possibly not even being able to transfer until junior year makes me even more discouraged...

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  34. I understand that all or many of you are frustrated about being denied admission, but you don't know what the entire pool of applicants that received admission looks like. As a matter of fact, my best friend was just accepted, and her standardized scores were far below the average. However, she has worked extremely hard for a high GPA, taken college classes, and done many extracurriculars. You can't base the entire applicant pool off of the few people that you know that either did or did not get admitted.

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  35. I completely agree with Edward. And believe people with similar stats as his have worked really hard to not be rewarded with the bare minimum of an explanation of denial. Serioulsly they at least deserve individual explanations to justify their hard work.

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  37. Based on the number of applicants, how in the world would the admissions office ever have the time to give every single denied applicant a personal explanation as to why they were not admitted? And really, what does it matter? It changes nothing. Unfortunately, there was not room for you in the next class of admitted students. Do yourself a favor: don't obsess about it. Move on and make the best of your life!

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  38. In regard to Edward and some of the other upset folks:

    Sometimes a denial isn't just about GPA or SAT scores. The admission committee also looks at who they think will fit in at the school the best, the kids who have personalities and goals that coincide with what the school is looking for. Maybe your teacher recommendations hit on some personality points that didn't match up with what UGA is looking for, or maybe your essays just didn't convey that certain something that fits in with the general atmosphere UGA is trying to foster. That isn't a personal condemnation, it just means that a year down the road, you'll probably realize that you fit in wonderfully at your current school and that the seemingly insurmountable mountain of a denial was really just a molehill.

    I know that it stings to be told no (I've been rejected once already, and there are probably about three more on the way), and for many people this is the first time where it feels like someone is passing judgment on them and responding with an unsatisfactory answer. Know that it's not meant to be a personal attack- half of the applicant pool received a denial right along with you. Know that several clever, hardworking seniors were denied along with you, so you're obviously not unworthy, you just weren't the right fit.

    I'm sure that all of you have wonderful schools that you were accepted to, and I'm sure that you'll flourish wherever you end up.

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  39. kinda upsets me when my best friend who got a 22 ACT and a 1400 SAT (ALL 3 AREAS) got accepted and I didnt. I have a better GPA, more extracurriculars, and a better work ethic but somehow she was chosen over me. I have a 30 ACT and a 1810 SAT..well, i guess its plan B now.

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  40. "my best friend who got a 22 ACT and a 1400 SAT (ALL 3 AREAS) got accepted and I didnt."

    DGraves, is this really possible? Under what circumstances could someone with a 22 ACT and a 1400/2400 be accepted?

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  41. Anon: One of the key things I have said from day one on this blog is that one of the key things we look at is hard work, and that 3+ years of grades is more important that 3+ hours on a Sat. morning taking the SAT/ACT. If we see a student that is challenging themselves greatly in the classroom and doing well, then yes, that can easily outweigh a lower test score. This has been something I have preached since day 1, and I will continue to say it.

    Hard workers are seen as a plus by admissions, and is seen in a more positive light than a student who have a high test score and lower grades or rigor. We are looking for students who challenge themselves and do well.

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  42. Extremely disappointed to be denied..and before I even got this decision I really didn't want to transfer at all in college, but I still love UGA and I think that I will probably want to eventually transfer. I read the transfer information and basically you look at the 1 year of college work and GPA there, which is a 3.2 minimum for sophomores? Do you look at SAT or ACT scores or is the college work/grades/GPA the only factors? I don't know what a transfer application entails..so is there anything else? I guess I will try really hard at whatever college I go to for freshman year and maybe transfer if I still really want to be at UGA. How come UGA doesn't let students transfer in for Fall semester of soph. year? I know it's because they usually wouldn't have enough credit hours by April 1, the deadline, but other institutions take transfers for fall of their sophomore year. Why isn't it like this at UGA?

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  43. All: In reviewing the comments here, I have written a post about the parable of the elephant and the six blind men, http://ugaadmissions.blogspot.com/2010/03/parable-of-elephant-and-six-blind-men.html. I would suggest you read it before you post any more comments, as it applies to some of the things that are being asked. I hope you enjoy it.

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  44. Anon: In reviewing transfer appliants, we are looking at their college work, so we are not reviewing their high school grades, SAT/ACT scores, etc. We post the minimum requirements for consideration, but consideration does not always equal admission, jus a point of reference where we will consider admission.

    As far as the timeline, all colleges have different dates for both freshman and transfer admission. Since we have a large number of transfer applicants, we had to move the deadline to April in order to actually give out a decision in a reasonable time. We would not be able to handle the number of transfer applications if we moved the deadline to June. As well, we would then have to drastically change the requirements for consideration due to the expected growth in applications.

    What we have done is make sure we are able to enroll students in Spring term, as there is some space open due to Dec. graduation, UGA students taking spring study abroad classes, etc. By changing the timeline, we have allowed for more possibilities for enrollment.

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  45. Do credits earned by AP exemption count towards transferable credits for transfer students, i.e., I have 25 hours exempt by AP scores and therefore will have around 38 hours (with a 13 hour load) at the end of my first freshman semester at another Georgia college. Am I a candidate for first semester sophomore transfer?

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  46. 1921: If the AP credits show up on a college transcript as specific courses with specific hours, then yes, we can use them as transfer work. You would then be able to be considered for transfer for summer or fall term of 2011, as it seems like you would have enough hours after that term and the Fall 2010 term work. You would not be eligible for Spring 2010, as we would not have Fall 2010 grades yet but the Sept. deadline.

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  47. Do you have information about the appeal process?

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  48. Anon: No, I do not have the information about appeals available to students right now, and I would seriously suggest that a freshman applicant not appeal. On average, my guess is that less than 5 freshman each year are successful with an appeal, and it is generally due to a serious situation (medical, family, etc.) that occurred but was not in the application. Realistically, a freshman appeal is only stringing out the denial period, and as such, we suggest you move forward with your plan B.

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  49. I'm actually kind of glad I didn't get accepted. I might seem like kind of a loser by saying this, but honestly this whole application, denial process really opened my eyes to who I am, what I've been able to do, and what I can do. UGA's just one of many schools I applied to, and while I didn't get accepted, it's definitely told me just how competitive some schools are and just how good of a student I am. I might not have been good enough for UGA (3.5 gpa, 27 ACT), but this tells me I need to work harder (especially freshman year of college) to make myself better overall. I might not be a bulldog yet, but DGraves and all of the other admissions officers can count on seeing me again in another application as a transfer, and this time I'll be wiser and stronger as a student. I'm stubborn. I'm happy with a no now, but I'm going to push myself until I can change that no into an enthusiastic yes later. My condolences to everyone else on here that didn't get in. Don't give up hopes guys! We will get where we want to go eventually!

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  50. Anon: I hope to see your application in the future as a transfer student! Good luck, and work hard.

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  51. All: Please remember, I cannot go into detail about an individual admission decision on this blog, or discuss another student's information. If you submit a comment like this, I am not able to post it. Sorry!

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  52. As well, I will not publish a post that is insulting to other colleges or universities. While you may not choose to attend or even apply to other specific institutions, I cannot allow any derogatory and/or false statements about other universities.

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  53. What is the average time the admissions group spends reviewing applications? I worked several hours filling out my application. Very careful to include all aspect of my high school work. I am hopeful that the admission staff spent at least a few minutes reviewing my qualification.

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  54. Anon: UGA has a number of different steps in reviewing your file, and we spend more than "at least a few minutes" going over your application. From pulling all of the materials together, reviewing your file for an initial academic review, to 2+ holistic reviews where we are reading and reviewing everything, your application gets a very detailed review.

    Just ask my wife, who has to put up with me reading hundreds of files at home during the read season. I think she is glad to have me back and focused, and now I get to watch "Dancing with the Stars" with her. I think I enjoy reading files much more than seeing bad sambas and paso dobles, whatever that is.

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  55. There is the University of Georgia and everybody else. Not a whole lot of options in this state. I guess that is why they call them plan "B" schools.

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  56. yeah, i think i mostly have been able to move on now so I'm sure everyone on this blog is going to throw some sort of party now. seriously, I'm like portrayed as the villain on every admissions blog but I'd just like to think I'm very passionate, competitive, resilient, and I really care. I don't think I and the adcom will ever see eye to eye on their decision but last time I checked I'm not on the adcom so my opinion doesn't matter? so this will probably be my last post until i maybe have questions about maybe transferring. but thanks dgraves and everyone for letting me vent my frustration and putting up with complaining. I WILL BE BACK!!!

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  57. To denied Applicants:

    While some of you are devastated as is natural to be, you musn't decide that you should have gotten in if you did not get in. Before applying to UGA, you must have been knowledgable about the University and you would have also known that UGA is a very competitive Institution.
    Over 18,000 applied!! Also, you should also know that UGA looks at a whole picnic basket of factors. Of course you would have high scores, but there were thousands who had high scores. Those who had really high numbers got In accepted early, and those whose scores werent high enough for early were required to complete part II of an application.
    In part II, the college can see why you have made a B in an AP class/ IB Class... Were you working part time while managing 6 Ib/ Ap and also involved in several clubd and sports all at the same time? Or did you have pretty high scores but maybe participated in 1 activity, but were not dedicated?
    Take into account that your teacher reccomendation letter may contain truthful information that the college is not looking for.
    It is not our place to say whether we should have gotten in over someeone else because we do not ge to view the entire application of any applicant. When we applied to UGA, we knew the three types of decisions. This also means that we make that risk when we apply, and we ALL want an Acceptance, but UGA cannot hold 10,000 freshmen. We must go boldly to reach a goal, but if that goal is somewhat difficult to reach, we must be prepared for a different path. We are all smart kids, but realize there are thousands of kids just like you and we must realize every aspect counts. I wish everyone a good luck to their colleges. I know that wherever we end up, we will be successful in life. Don't ever stop fighting for dreams. And you know what else? What if u got denied from UGA and you ended up at some college where you thought you didnt want to be... But what if on a random sunny day you meet the person you will spend the rest of your life with?? Things happen for a reason, I believe. So keep your head up guys!!:). I know there is treasure to be found!!

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  58. Anon: While I disagree with your view of the other colleges in this state, I wish you well at whatever college you attend.

    Edward: Good luck in your next step, and please post if you have transfer admission questions.

    Anon II: Good luck on your path, and I wish you well in reaching your goals.

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  59. I would like to know one thing:

    If my GPA/SAT did not meet your requirements in the first place, then why was I deferred back in December?

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  60. Anon: Since I do not know your individual situation, I could not answer this question for you specifically. What I can say is that when we make decisions in December, we try to allow for students to improve their grades, test scores, and show us what else they are like within the overall viewpoint of an applicant.

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  61. When you are givin information about appeals could you please post it in the blog? Thank You!

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  62. I had a family issue that I left out in my application, is it possible for me to appeal?

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  63. Do you have any tips for writing a successful appeal?

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  64. Steve, Michael and Luis: My true suggestion for appeal? Don't appeal. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but there are two realities that put you at a disadvantage right away; there are over 1,100 applicants on the wait-list, and your file was given a complete review. Last year, two freshman were admitted off of appeal out of 8,000 denials (new test information on a student who recently moved to the US, and a serious personal issue). If we have already reviewed all of your information in detail, then what is the basis for an appeal?

    Michael, if you have a family issue that was left out, check to see if it was talked about by your counselor or teacher. As well, ask yourself (or your counselor) if it is truly serious enough to warrent an appeal. As you recall, I would rather give you honest information than sugar coat something, and for freshman appeals are generally just dragging out the denial process.

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  65. The only benefit for an appeal is that the counselor did provide me with a detailed explanation as to why I was denied.

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  66. Anon: I am not sure what you mean by this (do you mean that a UGA counselor spoke to you?), but what is the benefit of an appeal if the reality is that freshman decisions are almost never overturned on appeal?

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  67. What is considered to be a serious personal issue?

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  68. I got my official rejection letter today. You will regret this later when I am rich and famous MWAHAHA
    later dawg

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  69. I did communicate with a UGA counselor. I had to try the appeal. I really wanted to attend UGA.

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  70. Dave: Off the top of my head, here are a few serious issues from applications I read this year. One applicant has been deaf since a young age and has worked hard to both not let her situation hinder her academically, and as well started a non-profit. Another applicant was diagnosed with cancer in the 10th grade, and yet has continued to have a great attitude, focus on academics and other areas, and has not let it stop her.

    A third was forced to move to a refugee settlement due to violence in her home country, only to be forced out of the second country, and was able to finally take refuge in the USA, all the while being a strong student. The fourth and final one had to deal with the death of a parent, forcing her to be the main financial provider for the family while still working hard at school.

    Those are the most serious issues I have seen so far, and I do not expect that many will have to face this type of situation. But issues such as minor illnesses, dealing with a change such moving to a new school (which we already notice), or a sickness within the extended family are challenging, but not generally seen as overwhelming. Almost all applicants have had to deal with some kind of setback in the last 4+ years. I do not want to sound heartless, as we all feel bad when a person goes through a challenging time, but some are more serious than others.

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  71. Oprah: Good luck with the fame and fortune!

    Anon: I am guessing that the UGA counselor did not recommend appealing, but that is your choice. I just want to be realistic about the situation, and I do not want students to have to go through the denial process again in May/June. As only two freshman appeals resulted in admission last year with over 8,000 students who were not admitted (and with the wait-list students being taken into consideration), I do not envision success for appeals.

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  72. Earlier in the process I wrote to you and asked if I should send my lower-end math/english SAT scores even though my ACT score equivalent was much higher and in the profile range. My SAT writing score was high so I asked if it was worth sending. You said "send it, it can only help, never hurt." I did and got denied (I understand there are other factors). When I called a UGA counselor and asked why I was denied, the first thing he said was that my SAT scores were too low....

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  73. Anon: I want to apologize for the response you were given by the counselor you spoke to today. When I stated that we look at the strongest of the test scores, I was serious about this, and it has been our policy for a long time that our focus is on the strongest scores, either from SAT vs. ACT, or the highest SAT or ACT if you sent us multiple scores of the same test type. The counselor was in error in stating what he did.

    In his defense though, our office annually takes thousands of calls and emails during the two week period following the final decisons, and I am guessing that he missed seeing the ACT scores. As well, while we understand that this is a tough time for all denied and wait-listed students, it is not a fun time for us, as we do not enjoy telling people that they are not admitted. Again, I apologize for the error the counselor made when he talked to you about the test scores.

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  74. Anon: I hit post before I finished my thought. When our counselors are getting call after call from denied students, they try to give the best information that they can, but it is not always a simple abc answer. I am guessing that the counselor might have mentioned several things about the class and about your file, but I am guessing he missed seeing the ACT scores when he spoke to you. Our system is set up so that the strongest scores are used, but in trying to give you a quick yet detailed answer, he erred.

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  75. I think I am going to appeal because I experienced one of those issues you addressed and did not let it hinder my academic success and maintained good grades and unfortunately denied admission

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  76. I received my denial letter today and read that they regret not offering admission. Can you define regret? I do not understand does that mean if I appeal it will be successful since they regret not offering me admission?

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  77. In all honesty did the budget cuts play a role in this years admissions process then in previous years?

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  78. Can you do a rumors blog about this years admission process now that its over because numerous things others had mentioned such as the day decisions would be released happened to be correct after you told us that the rumors were wrong.

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  79. When will the statistics be released? I want to know the ethnicity statistics?

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  80. I took the March SAT,the results come out tomorrow would the new scores be a good thing to include in an appeal? Should I include more teacher recommendations? My friend said all you have to do is get a bunch of teacher recommendations then you can easily get in.

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  81. Amy: So we did not know about the information when you applied? For an appeal, it would be about something that we did not already know about that was serious? If we knew about it when we read the file and still did not admit you, then it would have already have been taken into consideration. What new information would you provide in the appeal?

    Anon II: Really? Is this an actual question?

    Anon III: For the freshman decisions, the budget issue did not have a serious impact.

    Anon IV: If you look back at the rumored dates of final decisions, there were four or five different ones. If you guess enough times, you might get it right, but that does not make the rumors true.

    Anon V: I hope to have some statistics by tomorrow.

    Anon VI: Why would we want something in the appeal that is over 80 days beyond the deadline and not allowed for the other applicants? What would more teacher recs do for your appeal? I think the record last year for rec letters was 18 for one student, and the appeal was not successful, so I would not trust your friend's info.

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  82. Anon Father with SAT/ACT concern: I spoke to the counselors this morning, and specifically with the individuals you spoke with this week. They mentioned their error, and how they corrected themselves during the conversation after noticing the ACT. As such, it seems like it was a minor oversight that was corrected on the spot. I am glad that our office was able to clear this up during the conversation, and they were able to give you accurate information overall.

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  83. My child probably was not going to UGA anyway. It's too big for him. He wants to be more than a number. He's happy with his lst choice of Georgia College and State University! An incredible state school that is run like a private school.

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  84. Does UGA use a quota system while making decisions during the admission process? If so, can you describe the system?

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  85. Anon: UGA has no quota system at all when making decisions. I would suggest you look at http://www.admissions.uga.edu/article/top_ten_uga_admissions_urban_legends.html and read the first myth, as it states we do not have a quota system. I am sure there are lots of rumors floating around right now, with the weirdest one was a parent who thought we were admitting freshman from GA who did not get the HOPE schol. because it somehow affected the financial side of things, although I still do not understand that one. Decisions are made based upon the factors I have stated on this blog, and the people who are throwing out these rumors are doing so due to a lack of knowledge.

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  86. well after getting my rejection and harsh words from my parents, im ready for the fall. im going to georgia state. i found a roommate and we have something in common. we both got rejected from uga! no hard feeling though, i thank you for this blog dgraves. it made the wait a lot easier. i'll be back in two years asking tranfer questions.

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  87. Anon: Too bad about the harsh words, but I wish you success at GSU, and I will be happy to give you advice in 2 yrs or so.

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  88. I just sent my appeal today. How long do you think it will be till I hear a response?

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  89. Anon: The first appeal review meeting for summer/fall freshman is in May, and then it has to go before the President's office. I am guessing it will be at least early June before you hear any appeal decision. As I have said before, I would seriously suggest having a plan B, as almost no freshman appeals are overturned (2 last year), and there are over 1,100 people on the wait-list.

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  90. When sending an appeal do I need to label the top informing its an appeal? What do I do?

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  91. Anon: I would suggest you contact our office and speak to an admission counselor about your file, and then talk to them about the appeal process. They will give you details on the next step.

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  92. We were heartbroken that our daughter was not accepted to UGA. She was accepted to 8 other tier 1 schools so she has some wonderful choices and she has narrowed it down to University of Indiana, Miami University, University of Colorado, and Auburn. Hands down University of Georgia was her first choice since she wanted to return to where she was born and it had everything she was looking for, a double major in Business and Literature with the ability to play in the wonderful Orchestra. We realize that the review of so many fully qualified applicants cannot be easy and sometimes life just takes us on a path that we didn't anticipate. She may re-apply or just go on to find her place somewhere else...I mean the chance to play in one of seven orchestras in Indiana is amazing...it just is not Georgia!!! I know that it is difficult for all the Georgia kids not to get into their flagship school and we hurt for them. We were fortunate that our daughter was able to get into all the Colorado schools that she applied to and can fall back on those. As a parent it is difficult to see our children disappointed and feel the disappointment for ourselves as well. Best of luck to the class of 2014 all over the US.

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  93. Anon: I wish her well at whichever great college she selects to attend.

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  94. Denied Graduate Applicant: I did not post your comment here, as this blog is for undergraduate admissions only, and I can not comment on the graduate school admission process. If you have an issue with your decision, I suggest you contact that graduate program.

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  95. As a denied transfer applicant how do I appeal my admissions decision? I applied with a 3.7 weighted GPA and I don't understand why I was denied.

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  96. Anon: I would suggest you call our office and ask to speak with a counselor, who will go over your application and the appeal process. One question; did you have 30 or more hours of transfer work completed by the April 1 deadline as required on the application for admission consideration?

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  97. Anonymous said...

    As a denied transfer applicant how do I appeal my admissions decision? I applied with a 3.7 weighted GPA and I don't understand why I was denied.

    DGraves said...

    Anon: I would suggest you call our office and ask to speak with a counselor, who will go over your application and the appeal process. One question; did you have 30 or more hours of transfer work completed by the April 1 deadline as required on the application for admission consideration?

    Thanks for your response. I called the office and failed to get through to a counselor after calling a couple times. I was just transferred around until eventually I was given an email address which I emailed and was told I will hear back from in several days. I applied with 31 hours of transfer work completed by the April 1 deadline, and I went as far as to consult a transfer admissions counselor/representative in person at Terrell hall to confirm that my credits were both transferable and sufficient to be considered for admission.

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  98. Anon: I would wait to see what the response is from the counselor, as I cannot say what your situation from just what you have given me. The denial letter gives you the GPA and hours in the first paragraph, so that would be a start. Then be patient as we respond to you. As you can guess, this is still a busy time for us, as we are dealing with a large number of transfer calls, calls about freshman deposits, etc.

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  99. Anon: I would suggest that you get a copy of your transcript and review it, and make sure that the 31 hours that you perceive that you have are actually transfer hours. For instance, some courses do not transfer (for example, some USG colleges list RGTE -Regents Skills as hours and courses, but these do not transfer), and we can only accept AP credit as transfer work if it has specific classes and hours associated with each AP credit. Again, take a look at your letter from us and a copy of an official transcript from your home institution.

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  100. Thanks, 6 of my hours are hours that georgia state gave me from exempting the regents test for reading and writing; however, the admissions counselor I talked to in person specifically confirmed to me that the hours I was accredited from the regents test exemption would in fact be considered transferable hours for the purpose of the 30 hour minimum transfer requirement. I guess I was given false information from the UGA admissions office? I applied with 11 credit hours from AP classes, and I am fairly certain that they transfer but those may be the issue as well.

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  101. Anon: I am guessing there was confusion about the Regents issue, as our transfer equivalency site states that these are not transferable courses, but we will accept the fact that you have passed the Regents exams. We transfer in courses that are actual courses, or are listed as credit for actual courses (the Regents exams are just required exams for the state of GA). As for the AP hours, I am guessing that they are not listed on your official transcript as actual courses, as some colleges do not list these specific courses on the actual transcript. We use specific courses that are exempted by AP/IB exams, and actual courses that have been completed.

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  102. Thanks. The Regents credits must be the issue. I didn't think the hours would transfer since they weren't actual classes; however, I personally visited Terrell Hall and spoke with an admissions representative there, and I asked him about those regents credits given to me. He specifically told me that the regents credits would be considered for the 30 hour transfer minimum. I wish I remembered the name of the counselor/representative who relayed false information to me.

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  103. Anon: Again, I am guessing there was some confusion about your situation between you and the admissions person. I am sorry for the confusion, but that is why we always say that we cannot give exact details until after we review the application and the transcript, and that applicants should review the transfer equivalency site.

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  104. My daughter goes to a small, private school. She is an excellent student, but the school does not offer AP classes, only honors. How will this be factored in? I am very discouraged because it sounds like you place such an emphasis on AP classes and she hasn't had the opportunity to take any.

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  105. Anon: A number of people assume that because we list information on AP/IB classes, that this is something that has a certain number we look for in these courses. In reality, we are looking at the overall rigor of the student's courses, from honors classes, summer programs, dual enrollment, etc. We are not fixated on AP or IB classes, but because that is an easily quantifiable number, we decide to share it.

    Overall, we are looking at what is available to each student in terms of their high school and their community (is a dual enrollment option easily available, etc.) in determining the rigor of their curriculum. We do not have a certain number of AP or IB classes that must be taken, or a certain curriculum that must be followed. We are focused on what options are available and how the student has utilized these options. I hope this helps!!

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  106. Anon: I would also suggest you look at http://ugaadmissions.blogspot.com/2010/02/file-reading-part-iii.html, where I discussed academic rigor as a part of the overall review.

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  107. Hi. I see that the requirement to apply as a transfer student is 30 credits plus one full year of college. Does dual enrollment during your senior year count towards that one fully year? Consider this senario:
    - 9 AP credits
    - 3 College credits earned in spring of senior year
    - 3 College credits earned in summer after senior year
    - 15 College credits earned in fall semester of freshman year.
    TOTAL: 30 credits at the end of 2 college semesters. Thanks for letting me know

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  108. Anon: Any dual enrollment work can count towards the 30 semester hours of work, and if the AP credit is on a college transcript and is course specific (it lists the course, course number and hours on the official transcript we receive), that can also apply towards the 30 hours. Our other requirement is that a student must have one full year of college after high school graduation before enrolling. So if the above scenario is correct, then a student could apply for the summer or fall term of the following year and be considered for admission, as they would have 30 hours and they would start after a year in college (as generally they would continue with Spring courses). The 30+ hours still must be complete by the deadline for each specific term though.

    We have this requirement in place in part to re-enforce the situation that students with 30+ hours of dual enrollment work before the end of their senior year in HS still need to apply as freshman, as they have not attended a college after high school (GA Tech has a similar policy). We also want to make sure that students are ready for the challenge of UGA coursework, and having that year and 30+ hours gives us a good indication.

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  109. I see. I thought you had to have 30 credits PLUS a full year of college by the Application deadline for the semester you want to enroll. But, based on your explanation you just need 30 credits by the application deadline and a full year of college by the enrollment deadline. Please let me know if my understanding is not correct Thanks so much for your help.

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  110. Anon: Yes, your restatement of my explanation is correct.

    Again, one of the main reasons for year regulation is that we want to view high school students in our freshman pool, and true transfers in our transfer pool, as we use different criteria and materials. Transfers and Freshman also have different programs on campus, from a different orientation to freshman on-campus living requirements and so on. We do not want to review transfer students who have never attended a college full-time after high school, so we need to be specific in our definitions.

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  111. To sit here and say UGA does not have qouta
    system is delusional at best. "The top 2
    graduates from EVERY accredited high school
    in the state of Ga. get accepted to UGA"

    This qoute is taken directly from the UGA
    admissions webpage. This is a qouta system
    and don't tell there is no geographic diversity
    qouta when it comes to UGA acceptence. I have
    personally seen tons of n. metro Atl kids denied
    acceptence while others (rural,S. metro,S. Ga.)
    with far less qualifications get accepted.

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  112. Anon: Since the valedictorian and salutatorian graduates from every SACS accredited (you forgot the SACS part) will be admitted if they apply (you also forgot the application part), we are looking at all parts of the state, including the metro ATL students, where there are actually more high schools than in the other areas. In addition, this review of the val/sal students only happens after the traditional review is done, and in the past five years, I have only seen an average of roughly 2-3 a year where we have then made a different decision.

    As I have said to a number of students and parents over the last few days, including one in bold about 3 hours ago, do not guess about decisions when you do not know the details of each student. To say that you have "seen tons of n. metro ATL kids denied acceptance" shouts of a lack of true knowledge about them, and also a lack of knowledge about other students who are admitted.

    I ask that if you do not know of the facts (I am guessing that you did not know that the val/sal issue resulted in so few of these decisions having to be made), please do not post comments on this board. I try my best to give accurate and factual data, and the use of phrases such as "I have personally seen tons of ..." shows a lack of factual information.

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  113. I recently applied to UGA. I've already been accepted into Kennesaw, and I'm awaiting results from Auburn, Florida State, and the University of Alabama, as well as UGA. My parents prefer I attend school in Georgia for a cheaper tuition. I don't think I'm going to get into UGA. Is is smart to assume I will be rejected so I can move on and look for more colleges? If it helps, here is my resume:
    3.8 GPA
    1740 SAT
    President of Habitat For Humanity
    Marching Band
    All honor classes, 3 AP's
    Run school website
    Cashier at Publix Supermarkets, work 22 hours, 5 days a week
    Thanks :)

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  114. My cousin from Florida just got in and she's not that smart. Is it easier to get accepted out of state or is that an urban legend?

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  115. Anon I: First, I could not guess about whether you will be admitted or not, as I still do not know how many applicants we will have. What I always say to someone who is in doubt is to give us the most information possible so we can look at your file in detail, and then also have a plan B (like you have already) in case you are not admitted. As for your information, a 3.8 GPA is when you have 4 A's for every B grade, so you would want to look at your transcript to make sure of your overall grades (UGA does not look at a GPA on a transcript, just grades). I could not guess about the SAT, as we look at the subscores separately, not as one lump score. It does look like you are active, so make sure we know what you are involved in and some details about each (tell us more about what it takes to run the school website for instance).

    Anon II: First, I am somewhat glad I am not your cousin. That was somewhat of a harsh remark, and I would suggest taking a second look at her and what she is like in the classroom. As for in-state/out-of-state, we treat all applicants the same, so you are dealing with an urban legend (and the opposite where it is easier for in-state is also a well traveled urban legend).

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  116. I am currently planning to apply for transfer to UGA for Spring 2012 after having been denied application for Fall 2010. I have been doing much better at my current collegiate institute than at my high school so I was wondering if my earlier application and high school transcript will be taken into account by the admissions personnel when being considered for transfer.

    I appreciate any assistance you can provide.

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  117. Anon: When looking at transfer applicants, we only look at the work you have done at another college, so your high school information will have no bearing on the review.

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